Don't be disgusting .... Anyway that's Miss Firmer the Farmers daughter ;-)
> I would think that depends on what you would like him to do for you Tim!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Leslie > Sent: 15 February 2007 15:31 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: Poker > > Good point. Can you also tell me Steve if Mr Bun the Bakers Son is worth > more than a pair? > >> So when do you get to shout 'snap' then >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Gillen >> Sent: 15 February 2007 15:10 >> To: LUFC >> Subject: [LU] Non LU: Poker >> >> Okaaaaay >> >> Draw poker - the first and the original game - not the modern and ever >> popular Texas hold 'em which is shown on TV (which in itself is a >> variety >> of Stud poker). Draw poker is usually the one shown on all the westerns, >> it being the only variety generally known about at the time. >> >> If you really want to learn some of the subtleties of draw poker, nip >> down >> the library and get a copy of "The Education of a Poker Player" by >> Herbert >> O Yardley >> >> Yes everyone puts in an agreed ante >> >> Normally you would agree a minimum standard of hand to "open" i.e. make >> a >> bet to raise the pot - quite often the standard is Jacks or better. >> Meaning that for a player to open the pot they need to hold at the very >> least a pair of jacks - if no one has such a hand then a new hand is >> dealt >> BUT (and here is a good bit) a further ante is paid by all players, >> sometimes this ante can roll over a few times before someone gets the >> minimum opener, and quite an amount can be in the pot by then - hence >> the >> term "Jackpot" for a good amount to win. >> >> Draw is a fairly tedious game as (apart from the forced ante) there are >> only really 2 betting rounds, before the draw and after. >> >> To answer your scenario question... If the first player checks and a >> later >> player bets then each player in turn (clockwise) will now have only 3 >> choices available to them 1) Fold 2) Call 3) Raise (this is by far and >> away the strongest move) - the draw does NOT take place until all bets >> are equalised i.e. all remaining players have put an equal amount into >> the >> pot >> >> Erm - you can change any amount of your cards, not just 3, all if you >> wish >> (but that would just show that you are a fool and ripe to lose your >> money) >> - 4 is not good because again you are a fool and likely drawing to a >> lone >> ace (unless you have an agreed wild card, then 4 may not be so bad, but >> you will have advertised that you have it). 3 tells a tale that you have >> a >> pair and drawing 2 suggests that you may have trips (3 of a kind) or you >> may be a dreamer and trying to draw to a flush or straight. Drawing 1 >> card >> screams of drawing to a flush/straight. He strongest move is to stand >> pat >> (i.e. draw no cards) as this suggests that you have a made hand - this >> also means that the other remaining players have to really work hard to >> try to figure out is you are bluffing or you really have a hand. >> >> Seeing is not a legitimate statement in poker - you either fold, call or >> raise only (the first player to raise the pot however is said to "bet") >> Cards are not shown until all players who wish to remain in the pot have >> covered all bets and raises - see example below. If the pot is initially >> raised before the draw and is subsequently won by the "opener" whether >> he >> is called or not - the opener is expected to show that he/she had a >> legitimate opening hand (the pair of jacks I spoke of earlier) >> >> Ok an example >> >> 4 players, antes taken and cards are dealt - player 1 checks, as does >> player 2 - player 3 sees he has a pair of queens and opens the pot for >> £1, >> player 4 has nothing and folds. Player 1 has a pair of 8's and calls, >> player 2 has 3 aces and was hiding his hand, but now it is opened he >> raises the pot by £2, this means he has to equal the original bet of £1 >> and add a further £2 making £3 in total. Player 4 calls (adds £2 more) >> and >> player one calls (£2 more) all players draw whatever cards they require >> and then there is a further round of betting following on the same lines >> as above until all bats are equalised or only one player is left. If >> there >> are more than I players left then cards are then shown and the best >> poker >> hand wins >> >> And er.... That's it >> >> Come back if you want more info >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Brennan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 15 February 2007 13:56 >> To: Steve Gillen >> Subject: RE: [LU] Non LU: Poker >> >> Thanks for replying. >> >> To put this in context I'm just trying to learn to play with my kids :-) >> So although I've got an incling that it's really about facial >> expressions and body language, I need to understand the basic mechanisms >> first, as my seven year old likes to punch the air when he gets 3 of a >> kind which tends to give his hand away a bit! >> >> The rules I've read to play basic Draw poker say that everyone puts in >> an ante, then five cards are dealt to each player - let's say four >> players - starting with the player next to the dealer they can then >> either check (pass but stay in the game) or bet on the cards in their >> hand, or fold. What I want to know first is if you check, but then >> someone else bets, does the person who has checked need to do anything? >> >> After each person has checked, bet or folded, they can then change up to >> three of their cards, and then start betting. Question, how does that >> betting work? If after changing my cards I go first and say I bet a >> quid, do the other three people take it in turns to see (equal) my quid >> then raise, with each consequtive player seeing and/or raising on the >> prevous player's action, or does everyone who wants to play see my bet, >> and then someone else chooses to raise? It's how this seeing, raising >> and finishing the game bit that I'm not sure about. I mean do you just >> keep going until everyone has given up (folded) or can you force people >> to reveal their hand? >> >> Thanks if you can explain this to me. >> >> >> David Brennan >> Secretary >> Centre for Health and Social Care >> Leeds Institute of Health Sciences >> University of Leeds >> 71-75 Clarendon Road >> LEEDS >> LS2 9PL >> Tel: 0113 343 6905 >> Fax: 0113 343 6880 >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Steve Gillen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: 15 February 2007 13:37 >>> To: David Brennan; [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: [LU] Non LU: Poker >>> >>> >>> I'm your man Dave - I used to be a semi pro at the game, a >>> very nice steady income it was too! >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> David Brennan >>> Sent: 15 February 2007 13:21 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [LU] Non LU: Poker >>> >>> Sorry to post to list but I've asked here at work and no one >>> plays the game. >>> >>> Would anyone who does play the game be able to give me some >>> advice? I've been reading the rules on line but I'm not quite >>> sure about a couple of the mechanisms, so would appreciate >>> some advice. >>> >>> Needless to say this discusion can take place off list. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> DRB >>> _______________________________________________ >>> the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list >>> administrators accept no liability for the personal views and >>> opinions of contributors. >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> the mole has returned >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list >> administrators >> accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. >> Leedslist mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> the mole has returned >> >> _______________________________________________ >> the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list >> administrators >> accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. >> Leedslist mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> the mole has returned >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > the mole has returned > _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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