So when do you get to shout 'snap' then -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Gillen Sent: 15 February 2007 15:10 To: LUFC Subject: [LU] Non LU: Poker
Okaaaaay Draw poker - the first and the original game - not the modern and ever popular Texas hold 'em which is shown on TV (which in itself is a variety of Stud poker). Draw poker is usually the one shown on all the westerns, it being the only variety generally known about at the time. If you really want to learn some of the subtleties of draw poker, nip down the library and get a copy of "The Education of a Poker Player" by Herbert O Yardley Yes everyone puts in an agreed ante Normally you would agree a minimum standard of hand to "open" i.e. make a bet to raise the pot - quite often the standard is Jacks or better. Meaning that for a player to open the pot they need to hold at the very least a pair of jacks - if no one has such a hand then a new hand is dealt BUT (and here is a good bit) a further ante is paid by all players, sometimes this ante can roll over a few times before someone gets the minimum opener, and quite an amount can be in the pot by then - hence the term "Jackpot" for a good amount to win. Draw is a fairly tedious game as (apart from the forced ante) there are only really 2 betting rounds, before the draw and after. To answer your scenario question... If the first player checks and a later player bets then each player in turn (clockwise) will now have only 3 choices available to them 1) Fold 2) Call 3) Raise (this is by far and away the strongest move) - the draw does NOT take place until all bets are equalised i.e. all remaining players have put an equal amount into the pot Erm - you can change any amount of your cards, not just 3, all if you wish (but that would just show that you are a fool and ripe to lose your money) - 4 is not good because again you are a fool and likely drawing to a lone ace (unless you have an agreed wild card, then 4 may not be so bad, but you will have advertised that you have it). 3 tells a tale that you have a pair and drawing 2 suggests that you may have trips (3 of a kind) or you may be a dreamer and trying to draw to a flush or straight. Drawing 1 card screams of drawing to a flush/straight. He strongest move is to stand pat (i.e. draw no cards) as this suggests that you have a made hand - this also means that the other remaining players have to really work hard to try to figure out is you are bluffing or you really have a hand. Seeing is not a legitimate statement in poker - you either fold, call or raise only (the first player to raise the pot however is said to "bet") Cards are not shown until all players who wish to remain in the pot have covered all bets and raises - see example below. If the pot is initially raised before the draw and is subsequently won by the "opener" whether he is called or not - the opener is expected to show that he/she had a legitimate opening hand (the pair of jacks I spoke of earlier) Ok an example 4 players, antes taken and cards are dealt - player 1 checks, as does player 2 - player 3 sees he has a pair of queens and opens the pot for £1, player 4 has nothing and folds. Player 1 has a pair of 8's and calls, player 2 has 3 aces and was hiding his hand, but now it is opened he raises the pot by £2, this means he has to equal the original bet of £1 and add a further £2 making £3 in total. Player 4 calls (adds £2 more) and player one calls (£2 more) all players draw whatever cards they require and then there is a further round of betting following on the same lines as above until all bats are equalised or only one player is left. If there are more than I players left then cards are then shown and the best poker hand wins And er.... That's it Come back if you want more info Steve -----Original Message----- From: David Brennan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2007 13:56 To: Steve Gillen Subject: RE: [LU] Non LU: Poker Thanks for replying. To put this in context I'm just trying to learn to play with my kids :-) So although I've got an incling that it's really about facial expressions and body language, I need to understand the basic mechanisms first, as my seven year old likes to punch the air when he gets 3 of a kind which tends to give his hand away a bit! The rules I've read to play basic Draw poker say that everyone puts in an ante, then five cards are dealt to each player - let's say four players - starting with the player next to the dealer they can then either check (pass but stay in the game) or bet on the cards in their hand, or fold. What I want to know first is if you check, but then someone else bets, does the person who has checked need to do anything? After each person has checked, bet or folded, they can then change up to three of their cards, and then start betting. Question, how does that betting work? If after changing my cards I go first and say I bet a quid, do the other three people take it in turns to see (equal) my quid then raise, with each consequtive player seeing and/or raising on the prevous player's action, or does everyone who wants to play see my bet, and then someone else chooses to raise? It's how this seeing, raising and finishing the game bit that I'm not sure about. I mean do you just keep going until everyone has given up (folded) or can you force people to reveal their hand? Thanks if you can explain this to me. David Brennan Secretary Centre for Health and Social Care Leeds Institute of Health Sciences University of Leeds 71-75 Clarendon Road LEEDS LS2 9PL Tel: 0113 343 6905 Fax: 0113 343 6880 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Gillen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 February 2007 13:37 > To: David Brennan; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [LU] Non LU: Poker > > > I'm your man Dave - I used to be a semi pro at the game, a > very nice steady income it was too! > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > David Brennan > Sent: 15 February 2007 13:21 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [LU] Non LU: Poker > > Sorry to post to list but I've asked here at work and no one > plays the game. > > Would anyone who does play the game be able to give me some > advice? I've been reading the rules on line but I'm not quite > sure about a couple of the mechanisms, so would appreciate > some advice. > > Needless to say this discusion can take place off list. > > Thanks > > DRB > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list > administrators accept no liability for the personal views and > opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > the mole has returned > _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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