Good point. Can you also tell me Steve if Mr Bun the Bakers Son is worth more than a pair?
> So when do you get to shout 'snap' then > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Gillen > Sent: 15 February 2007 15:10 > To: LUFC > Subject: [LU] Non LU: Poker > > Okaaaaay > > Draw poker - the first and the original game - not the modern and ever > popular Texas hold 'em which is shown on TV (which in itself is a variety > of Stud poker). Draw poker is usually the one shown on all the westerns, > it being the only variety generally known about at the time. > > If you really want to learn some of the subtleties of draw poker, nip down > the library and get a copy of "The Education of a Poker Player" by Herbert > O Yardley > > Yes everyone puts in an agreed ante > > Normally you would agree a minimum standard of hand to "open" i.e. make a > bet to raise the pot - quite often the standard is Jacks or better. > Meaning that for a player to open the pot they need to hold at the very > least a pair of jacks - if no one has such a hand then a new hand is dealt > BUT (and here is a good bit) a further ante is paid by all players, > sometimes this ante can roll over a few times before someone gets the > minimum opener, and quite an amount can be in the pot by then - hence the > term "Jackpot" for a good amount to win. > > Draw is a fairly tedious game as (apart from the forced ante) there are > only really 2 betting rounds, before the draw and after. > > To answer your scenario question... If the first player checks and a later > player bets then each player in turn (clockwise) will now have only 3 > choices available to them 1) Fold 2) Call 3) Raise (this is by far and > away the strongest move) - the draw does NOT take place until all bets > are equalised i.e. all remaining players have put an equal amount into the > pot > > Erm - you can change any amount of your cards, not just 3, all if you wish > (but that would just show that you are a fool and ripe to lose your money) > - 4 is not good because again you are a fool and likely drawing to a lone > ace (unless you have an agreed wild card, then 4 may not be so bad, but > you will have advertised that you have it). 3 tells a tale that you have a > pair and drawing 2 suggests that you may have trips (3 of a kind) or you > may be a dreamer and trying to draw to a flush or straight. Drawing 1 card > screams of drawing to a flush/straight. He strongest move is to stand pat > (i.e. draw no cards) as this suggests that you have a made hand - this > also means that the other remaining players have to really work hard to > try to figure out is you are bluffing or you really have a hand. > > Seeing is not a legitimate statement in poker - you either fold, call or > raise only (the first player to raise the pot however is said to "bet") > Cards are not shown until all players who wish to remain in the pot have > covered all bets and raises - see example below. If the pot is initially > raised before the draw and is subsequently won by the "opener" whether he > is called or not - the opener is expected to show that he/she had a > legitimate opening hand (the pair of jacks I spoke of earlier) > > Ok an example > > 4 players, antes taken and cards are dealt - player 1 checks, as does > player 2 - player 3 sees he has a pair of queens and opens the pot for £1, > player 4 has nothing and folds. Player 1 has a pair of 8's and calls, > player 2 has 3 aces and was hiding his hand, but now it is opened he > raises the pot by £2, this means he has to equal the original bet of £1 > and add a further £2 making £3 in total. Player 4 calls (adds £2 more) and > player one calls (£2 more) all players draw whatever cards they require > and then there is a further round of betting following on the same lines > as above until all bats are equalised or only one player is left. If there > are more than I players left then cards are then shown and the best poker > hand wins > > And er.... That's it > > Come back if you want more info > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Brennan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 February 2007 13:56 > To: Steve Gillen > Subject: RE: [LU] Non LU: Poker > > Thanks for replying. > > To put this in context I'm just trying to learn to play with my kids :-) > So although I've got an incling that it's really about facial > expressions and body language, I need to understand the basic mechanisms > first, as my seven year old likes to punch the air when he gets 3 of a > kind which tends to give his hand away a bit! > > The rules I've read to play basic Draw poker say that everyone puts in > an ante, then five cards are dealt to each player - let's say four > players - starting with the player next to the dealer they can then > either check (pass but stay in the game) or bet on the cards in their > hand, or fold. What I want to know first is if you check, but then > someone else bets, does the person who has checked need to do anything? > > After each person has checked, bet or folded, they can then change up to > three of their cards, and then start betting. Question, how does that > betting work? If after changing my cards I go first and say I bet a > quid, do the other three people take it in turns to see (equal) my quid > then raise, with each consequtive player seeing and/or raising on the > prevous player's action, or does everyone who wants to play see my bet, > and then someone else chooses to raise? It's how this seeing, raising > and finishing the game bit that I'm not sure about. I mean do you just > keep going until everyone has given up (folded) or can you force people > to reveal their hand? > > Thanks if you can explain this to me. > > > David Brennan > Secretary > Centre for Health and Social Care > Leeds Institute of Health Sciences > University of Leeds > 71-75 Clarendon Road > LEEDS > LS2 9PL > Tel: 0113 343 6905 > Fax: 0113 343 6880 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Gillen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 15 February 2007 13:37 >> To: David Brennan; [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [LU] Non LU: Poker >> >> >> I'm your man Dave - I used to be a semi pro at the game, a >> very nice steady income it was too! >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> David Brennan >> Sent: 15 February 2007 13:21 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [LU] Non LU: Poker >> >> Sorry to post to list but I've asked here at work and no one >> plays the game. >> >> Would anyone who does play the game be able to give me some >> advice? I've been reading the rules on line but I'm not quite >> sure about a couple of the mechanisms, so would appreciate >> some advice. >> >> Needless to say this discusion can take place off list. >> >> Thanks >> >> DRB >> _______________________________________________ >> the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list >> administrators accept no liability for the personal views and >> opinions of contributors. >> Leedslist mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> the mole has returned >> > > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > the mole has returned > > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > the mole has returned > _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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