-> 
> He was sacked because he had started getting rattled
> and used the current
> financial situation as an excuse.  

Mark, do you really believe this ? He was sacked cos
the result were shit and that we'd just been stuffed
by an average Sunderland team without even putting up
a fight. The fans sang "Time to go" and that's why he
went. Nowt to do with his whinging - he's been
whinging for years. Bates may be using it as an excuse
to try and pay him less but at the end of the day he
got sacked cos he lost the team  and lost the crowd
and got exposed for what he was - shite ! 
> 
> It so happens that most fans thought it was time to
> go, and Bates probably
> thought as much too, primarily because it seems the
> players weren't playing
> for him.

Ha ha ha ha ha - the players weren't playing for him ?
Is that their fault or is that the managers ? Are you
related to Blackwell Mark ? You seem to be wanting to
make every excuse under the sun for him ? or is the
reality that you made a decison to give him another
season and you've seen that decision blow up in your
face and now you're trying to save face. You go on
about performances been decent this season. Have you
been to a game this season ? Fucking hell, it's been
dire. 
  
> On the whole his tactics/formations/team selections
> have been what most of
> us would have wanted this season.  My only change
> would be Foxe in for
> Butler pretty much.  So if he is picking the side
> and the formation that
> most of us wanted, why was he doing such a bad job?

He's a shit manager that's why. Long ball from Crainey
is his main tactic ? 
> 
> Anyway, moot point, he has gone and the point here
> was that he and Bates had
> a 3 year plan for promotion and that means next
> season, not this.

Fuck off Mark, you're making it up again. Bates never
said anything of the sort. You're full of shit. 

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Richard Walker
> Sent: 05 October 2006 20:08
> To: Nigel Holcroft
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [LU] Did Bates say it or not ?
> 
> Spot on Nige. 
> I think Mark was just having one of his frequent
> funny
> turns in which he tends to spout shit.
> Bates wanted promotion this year - there's no doubts
> about that. There were people on this list who said
> he
> couldn't sack KB having just given him a 3 year
> contract (Paul C). Wrong ! 
> Bates got it wrong , admitted it by sacking KB. I
> just
> wish people on this list would admit as well.   
> 
> 
> --- Nigel Holcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > As I remember it...The one thing Bates said,
> > emphatically about promotion
> > and the manager's performance; for this season was
> > that, the time for
> > excuses was past and that he did not want to hear
> > any more talk about having
> > only 2 players and  how we nearly went out of
> > business etc...
> > 
> > As soon as we started losing again this season,
> what
> > did Blackwell trot
> > out?... Yup the same old excuses...with a few new
> > ones added... No surprise
> > to find the chairman less than thrilled then, eh?
> > 
> > 
> > 
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