On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Daniel Curran-Dickinson wrote:
On Mon, 2016-06-13 at 11:17 +0200, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote:
Hi,
no need to overreact :) I think parts of the topics are about the
Hope you're referring to Pinney and not me! I was concerned because
Dave Taht's email and David Lang's post) seemed to me to imply changing the
defaults to suit bigger iron as the default rather than simply making
it a supported option.
I think you misunderstood our comments and concerns. We want the bigger hardware
to be a supported option, and don't like the response that this initially got of
"that's something only needed for bigger hardware, we shouldn't have it as an
option in LEDE"
Both of us play with very small hardware as well, we don't want to close out the
low end devices.
I also think that talking about a 5-10 plan as
the basis if making decision of what to include by default in *current* builds
is rather foolish thinking. Yes planning for the future is important but to
it reminds of a quote from when I was religious: "Don't be so heavenly-minded
you're no earthly good". Basically here and now needs not to be forgotten in
dreams of future wonders.
Agreed, but at the same time you shouldn't ignore support for the larger
hardware.
Remember, this thread started with the request to support hard drives >2TB and
the reaction was "we don't need that routers only have a few tens of KB of
flash" (even though it turned out that the support has already been included)
<agreement on the need to support old/small hardware>
To a certain extent though, I question the need for something as restricted as
OpenWrt
for the new bigger devices anyway; there are elements like netifd that would be
good to
see continue, but I'm not sure that most of OpenWrt really makes as much sense
when you're
not needing to squeeze maximum use out of very erase block, and that therefore,
while it
may be a smaller market/mindshare, that focussing on the the true embedded type
scenario,
seems to be more of what LEDE's niche is.
LEDE/OpenWRT is a good fit for any device that operates on raw flash instead of
a hard drive or ssd with wear leveling. Once you have storage that you don't
worry about wearing out and is large enough to hold a normal Linux Distro, it
makes sense to move to such a distro and update packages individually.
But when you have a limited amount of boot/OS storage that does not have wear
leveling in place, then the OpenWRT/LEDE approach of a complete filesystem image
that gets updated as a whole still makes sense.
Even when we have a few Gb of flash storage available, we will still want to use
compressed, read-only filesystems for the main OS packages.
David Lang
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