Den 2016-05-20 kl. 00:09, skrev Oswald Buddenhagen: > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 04:40:34PM +0200, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote: >> Bjørn wrote: >>> Yes, this is extremely unfair. Just like the I'm sure some >>> developers saw the original LEDE announcement. Good intentions are >>> not enough. It's the result that matters. >> I certainly agree but we should avoid applying double standards here, >> > well, that's kinda the key here, isn't it? i don't know whether the lede > infrastructure and participation was technically open from the start, > but the fact that nobody except "the cabal" knew about it makes the > whole "open" thing a bit of a cynical joke. > > the one thing that will make a big difference is plainly and openly > admitting the screwup ... and rebooting your "reboot". > > that doesn't mean starting from scratch, but instead openly and forcibly > pushing your alternatives within openwrt - as imre pointed out, you have > quite some real power. however controversial such an approach might be, > it cannot possibly do more damage to the community than this hostile > fork does. > > regarding the open decision-making process: *the* channel for any kind > of serious discussion should be the open mailing list. > - as others pointed out, irc plain does not work for such stuff. the > whole concept of meetings (or generally real-time communication about > non-trivial matters) doesn't work for many people, so just scratch it. > - alone the fact that "important stuff" happens "out of band" and needs > to be actively collected by those "passively interested" is a problem. > probably the problem that triggered bjoern's mail in the first place. > > anyway, that's my perspective as an outsider (who has 15 years of > experience in some *big* openly governed communities) ... Isn't the LEDE-adm list used for that? Just a guess, I'm not on that list...
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