+1 :) On 26 November 2010 21:09, Charles-H. Schulz < charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> Hi, > > As I wrote earlier: you are all going to contribute to LibreOffice. How > about that? :) > > thanks Mostafa, > > Charles. > > 2010/11/26 Mostafa Daneshvar <las...@fedoraproject.org> > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Mostafa Daneshvar < > > las...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > > Oh LALA, > > > guys, this is very simple: just contribute libreoffice. If we've got > > > problem then we can do something. This is a New era in Office. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz <farza...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I have never been involved with Ubuntu development. I don't know who > you > > >> are > > >> talking about, but in the list you shared, I see my friend and former > > >> colleague, Reza Mohammadi, who is now a part of the FarsiTel team. Are > > you > > >> sure you are not mistaking me with someone else? > > >> > > >> I am glad to see that Hossein is so keen to contribute. It will > > hopefully > > >> mean that we will have a more active team. I am only hoping that we > > don't > > >> let the quality drop, stick to standards, and have more inclusive > > approach > > >> to volunteers. > > >> > > >> I haven't looked at his contributions, but I am sure we could work > > >> together > > >> and discuss should a disagreement occur. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Farzaneh. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 26 November 2010 17:47, Hossein Noorikhah <hossein...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Dear Charles, > > >> > > > >> > To be honest, I have no problem with cooperation, but project > history > > >> has > > >> > shown that this is not the case. I want to translate, code, and bug > > hunt > > >> > without thinking about management issues, but when I see the current > > >> > management forbids any progress, I think I should be bold and say > what > > I > > >> > know. > > >> > > > >> > I suggest you to see what Farsiweb guys did at Ubuntu Launchpad, > which > > >> has > > >> > a > > >> > translation tool called Rosetta. Me and others started translating > > >> there, > > >> > but after a while, a guy from Farsiweb who was the owner of the > > >> > localization project, removed other members and forced all the > > >> translations > > >> > to be marked as suggestions, and they were never incorporated in the > > >> main > > >> > translations. > > >> > This created a lot of criticism from members of technotux, a major > > >> Persian > > >> > language linux community: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html(in > < > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > > > > < > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > > > > > >> < > > >> > > > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > > >> > > > >> > Persian) > > >> > > > >> > Former members (of Ubuntu-fa team) > > >> > These are the members whose subscriptions have expired, or were > > >> deactivated > > >> > by themselves or by a team administrator. > > >> > Name Joined in Status > > >> > Abbas Esmaeeli 2006-09-06 Deactivated > > >> > Amir Masoud Parvanian 2006-06-28 Deactivated > > >> > Bianux 2006-09-01 Deactivated > > >> > hadi farnoud 2006-03-15 Deactivated > > >> > Hamed Zaghaghi 2006-08-24 Deactivated > > >> > Hossein Noorikhah 2006-07-14 Deactivated > > >> > Jalal Rohani 2006-08-20 Deactivated > > >> > Kaveh Mousavi Zamani 2006-06-24 Deactivated > > >> > Kia Teymourian 2006-09-16 Deactivated > > >> > Moein Alinaghian 2006-07-02 Deactivated > > >> > Reza Mohammadi 2006-08-12 Deactivated > > >> > sadegh 2006-09-19 Deactivated > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I think these kind of policies does not create any progress. > > >> > > > >> > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian > Native-Language > > >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first > native-lang > > >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > *As I remember, I was the guy who promised to work on Persian > > >> localization > > >> > at LibreOffice IRC, on the opening day. Don't you remember > "Hossein"?* > > >> > > > >> > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the > > OpenOffice.org > > >> > > project. > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > That seems reasonable, but there is nothing as the contribution to > the > > >> > project, by FarsiWeb. They just locked the project for 6 years, and > > I'm > > >> > afraid that the same thing will happen for LibreOffice. I don't want > > to > > >> > wait > > >> > 6 or 10 years from now to see a localized version of LibreOffice. > > >> > > > >> > Why did you forked OpenOffice? The very same reason holds for > Persian > > >> team > > >> > of OpenOffice, who no longer want to be under supervision of a group > > >> that > > >> > blocks contributions from people, and does not care about the > project. > > >> > > > >> > If this is not enough, I can forward you my communications with > > >> OpenOffice > > >> > guys. > > >> > > > >> > Hossein > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz < > > >> > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Hello Hossein, > > >> > > > > >> > > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian > > Native-Language > > >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first > native-lang > > >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening :-) > > >> > > > > >> > > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the > > >> OpenOffice.org > > >> > > project. > > >> > > > > >> > > Pootle Admins: > > >> > > I would strongly suggest Farzaneh gets her Pootle > > >> > > account. > > >> > > > > >> > > Best, > > >> > > Charles. > > >> > > > > >> > > Le Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:26:20 +0330, > > >> > > Hossein Noorikhah <hossein...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks for your attention, but I'm really against giving the > > >> > > > coordination of this project to Mrs. Sarafraz and FarsiWeb Inc., > > the > > >> > > > company that took over fa.openoffice.org and did nothing within > 6 > > >> > > > years, from 2005 until now, near end of 2010. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Some time in 2005, Meelad Zakaria, a member of Farsiweb ltd. > > >> > > > requested for adding Persian locale for OpenOffice. > > >> > > > > > >> > http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4443 > > >> > > > I asked Meelad to add me to the project, so I could contribute > in > > >> > > > localizing OpenOffice.org, About 1 month after receiving my > > message, > > >> > > > he just added me as an observer. I sent him other messages > > regarding > > >> > > > the status of the project, and I asked him "what he'll do", but > I > > >> > > > couldn't get an appropriate answer from him. After a lot of > > effort, > > >> > > > and warnings from OpenOffice guys because of locking the > project, > > he > > >> > > > added me as a developer. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Some time later, I saw the Persian localized version of Linux > from > > >> > > > Farsiweb ltd. that contained Persian OpenOffice.org. > > >> > > > http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page > > >> > > > It seems that Meelad registered as the project leader of > > >> > > > OpenOffice.org, and then stopped the job, because they wanted > > their > > >> > > > Persian version of OpenOffice.org to be unique. > > >> > > > Now, after about 6 years, you see no progress in the project. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > After that, I decided to devote my time on fixing i18n bugs (my > > >> > > > username is "h15n" there), and I think my efforts was helpful > for > > >> > > > OO.o users. Fixing problems with justified Persian > > >> > > > text<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28203>, > > >> > > > and including context shaping of > > >> > > > numbers<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=98418>, > > >> > > > was vital for the real world usage of OpenOffice, and I'm happy > to > > >> > > > continue spending my time on > > >> > > > it<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100940>. > > Please > > >> > > > tell me one useful thing that FarsiWeb did during past 6 years, > > >> > > > rather than locking the project? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Please note that farsilinux.ir is not a personal website. I > > >> > > > registered this domain, for the sole purpose of localization of > > open > > >> > > > source software, including LibreOffice. Please don't point to > > >> > > > fa.openoffice.org, as it's just a 2 page Persian translation of > > >> some > > >> > > > pages from English OOo which was copied after a lot of questions > > >> > > > raised about FarsiWeb policies. Copying those 2 pages won't take > a > > >> > > > lot of time. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I don't want to continue this talk, but if it's needed, I can > > >> forward > > >> > > > my communications with guys at OpenOffice.org for further > insight > > on > > >> > > > FarsiWeb policies against contribution of interested people. > They > > >> > > > just sign up as the project owner and disappear. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I'm currently a PhD. candidate at computer department of > Amirkabir > > >> > > > University of Technonlogy <http://ceit.aut.ac.ir>, and I've > spent > > >> > > > many years on development of localized Persian software. Because > > of > > >> > > > this, I think I can handle the coordination of this project. > > >> > > > Furthermore, I have no plan to use my position as a way to gain > > >> > > > financial benefits. In fact, I really care about this project, > as > > >> > > > I've spent a lot of time for it before. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I've talked to some members of fa.openoffice.org before planing > > to > > >> be > > >> > > > the coordinator of the Persian localization of LibreOffice and > > they > > >> > > > are also against making FarsiWeb the coordinator. I've started > > >> > > > working on farsilinux.ir, and I think soon we'll have a great > > place > > >> > > > where we can welcome anyone (even FarsiWeb guys) who wants to > > >> > > > contribute to LibreOffice. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hossein > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz > > >> > > > <farza...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > We already have a homepage at fa.openoffice.org. I also have > a > > >> > > > > local full recent backup of the data there. 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