Hi, As I wrote earlier: you are all going to contribute to LibreOffice. How about that? :)
thanks Mostafa, Charles. 2010/11/26 Mostafa Daneshvar <las...@fedoraproject.org> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Mostafa Daneshvar < > las...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > Oh LALA, > > guys, this is very simple: just contribute libreoffice. If we've got > > problem then we can do something. This is a New era in Office. > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz <farza...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I have never been involved with Ubuntu development. I don't know who you > >> are > >> talking about, but in the list you shared, I see my friend and former > >> colleague, Reza Mohammadi, who is now a part of the FarsiTel team. Are > you > >> sure you are not mistaking me with someone else? > >> > >> I am glad to see that Hossein is so keen to contribute. It will > hopefully > >> mean that we will have a more active team. I am only hoping that we > don't > >> let the quality drop, stick to standards, and have more inclusive > approach > >> to volunteers. > >> > >> I haven't looked at his contributions, but I am sure we could work > >> together > >> and discuss should a disagreement occur. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Farzaneh. > >> > >> > >> On 26 November 2010 17:47, Hossein Noorikhah <hossein...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Charles, > >> > > >> > To be honest, I have no problem with cooperation, but project history > >> has > >> > shown that this is not the case. I want to translate, code, and bug > hunt > >> > without thinking about management issues, but when I see the current > >> > management forbids any progress, I think I should be bold and say what > I > >> > know. > >> > > >> > I suggest you to see what Farsiweb guys did at Ubuntu Launchpad, which > >> has > >> > a > >> > translation tool called Rosetta. Me and others started translating > >> there, > >> > but after a while, a guy from Farsiweb who was the owner of the > >> > localization project, removed other members and forced all the > >> translations > >> > to be marked as suggestions, and they were never incorporated in the > >> main > >> > translations. > >> > This created a lot of criticism from members of technotux, a major > >> Persian > >> > language linux community: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html(in<http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in> > < > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > > > >> < > >> > http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-posting-mode-topicreview-t-15849.html%28in > >> > > >> > Persian) > >> > > >> > Former members (of Ubuntu-fa team) > >> > These are the members whose subscriptions have expired, or were > >> deactivated > >> > by themselves or by a team administrator. > >> > Name Joined in Status > >> > Abbas Esmaeeli 2006-09-06 Deactivated > >> > Amir Masoud Parvanian 2006-06-28 Deactivated > >> > Bianux 2006-09-01 Deactivated > >> > hadi farnoud 2006-03-15 Deactivated > >> > Hamed Zaghaghi 2006-08-24 Deactivated > >> > Hossein Noorikhah 2006-07-14 Deactivated > >> > Jalal Rohani 2006-08-20 Deactivated > >> > Kaveh Mousavi Zamani 2006-06-24 Deactivated > >> > Kia Teymourian 2006-09-16 Deactivated > >> > Moein Alinaghian 2006-07-02 Deactivated > >> > Reza Mohammadi 2006-08-12 Deactivated > >> > sadegh 2006-09-19 Deactivated > >> > > >> > > >> > I think these kind of policies does not create any progress. > >> > > >> > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian Native-Language > >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first native-lang > >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening > >> > > > >> > > >> > *As I remember, I was the guy who promised to work on Persian > >> localization > >> > at LibreOffice IRC, on the opening day. Don't you remember "Hossein"?* > >> > > >> > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the > OpenOffice.org > >> > > project. > >> > > > >> > > >> > That seems reasonable, but there is nothing as the contribution to the > >> > project, by FarsiWeb. They just locked the project for 6 years, and > I'm > >> > afraid that the same thing will happen for LibreOffice. I don't want > to > >> > wait > >> > 6 or 10 years from now to see a localized version of LibreOffice. > >> > > >> > Why did you forked OpenOffice? The very same reason holds for Persian > >> team > >> > of OpenOffice, who no longer want to be under supervision of a group > >> that > >> > blocks contributions from people, and does not care about the project. > >> > > >> > If this is not enough, I can forward you my communications with > >> OpenOffice > >> > guys. > >> > > >> > Hossein > >> > > >> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz < > >> > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hello Hossein, > >> > > > >> > > Perhaps you could work together? I believe the Persian > Native-Language > >> > > Project of OpenOffice.org led by Farsiweb was the first native-lang > >> > > community to support LibreOffice the very day of its opening :-) > >> > > > >> > > Also we do tend to acknowledge past contributions in the > >> OpenOffice.org > >> > > project. > >> > > > >> > > Pootle Admins: > >> > > I would strongly suggest Farzaneh gets her Pootle > >> > > account. > >> > > > >> > > Best, > >> > > Charles. > >> > > > >> > > Le Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:26:20 +0330, > >> > > Hossein Noorikhah <hossein...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> > > > >> > > > Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks for your attention, but I'm really against giving the > >> > > > coordination of this project to Mrs. Sarafraz and FarsiWeb Inc., > the > >> > > > company that took over fa.openoffice.org and did nothing within 6 > >> > > > years, from 2005 until now, near end of 2010. > >> > > > > >> > > > Some time in 2005, Meelad Zakaria, a member of Farsiweb ltd. > >> > > > requested for adding Persian locale for OpenOffice. > >> > > > > >> http://native-lang.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=4443 > >> > > > I asked Meelad to add me to the project, so I could contribute in > >> > > > localizing OpenOffice.org, About 1 month after receiving my > message, > >> > > > he just added me as an observer. I sent him other messages > regarding > >> > > > the status of the project, and I asked him "what he'll do", but I > >> > > > couldn't get an appropriate answer from him. After a lot of > effort, > >> > > > and warnings from OpenOffice guys because of locking the project, > he > >> > > > added me as a developer. > >> > > > > >> > > > Some time later, I saw the Persian localized version of Linux from > >> > > > Farsiweb ltd. that contained Persian OpenOffice.org. > >> > > > http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page > >> > > > It seems that Meelad registered as the project leader of > >> > > > OpenOffice.org, and then stopped the job, because they wanted > their > >> > > > Persian version of OpenOffice.org to be unique. > >> > > > Now, after about 6 years, you see no progress in the project. > >> > > > > >> > > > After that, I decided to devote my time on fixing i18n bugs (my > >> > > > username is "h15n" there), and I think my efforts was helpful for > >> > > > OO.o users. Fixing problems with justified Persian > >> > > > text<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28203>, > >> > > > and including context shaping of > >> > > > numbers<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=98418>, > >> > > > was vital for the real world usage of OpenOffice, and I'm happy to > >> > > > continue spending my time on > >> > > > it<http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100940>. > Please > >> > > > tell me one useful thing that FarsiWeb did during past 6 years, > >> > > > rather than locking the project? > >> > > > > >> > > > Please note that farsilinux.ir is not a personal website. I > >> > > > registered this domain, for the sole purpose of localization of > open > >> > > > source software, including LibreOffice. Please don't point to > >> > > > fa.openoffice.org, as it's just a 2 page Persian translation of > >> some > >> > > > pages from English OOo which was copied after a lot of questions > >> > > > raised about FarsiWeb policies. Copying those 2 pages won't take a > >> > > > lot of time. > >> > > > > >> > > > I don't want to continue this talk, but if it's needed, I can > >> forward > >> > > > my communications with guys at OpenOffice.org for further insight > on > >> > > > FarsiWeb policies against contribution of interested people. They > >> > > > just sign up as the project owner and disappear. > >> > > > > >> > > > I'm currently a PhD. candidate at computer department of Amirkabir > >> > > > University of Technonlogy <http://ceit.aut.ac.ir>, and I've spent > >> > > > many years on development of localized Persian software. Because > of > >> > > > this, I think I can handle the coordination of this project. > >> > > > Furthermore, I have no plan to use my position as a way to gain > >> > > > financial benefits. In fact, I really care about this project, as > >> > > > I've spent a lot of time for it before. > >> > > > > >> > > > I've talked to some members of fa.openoffice.org before planing > to > >> be > >> > > > the coordinator of the Persian localization of LibreOffice and > they > >> > > > are also against making FarsiWeb the coordinator. I've started > >> > > > working on farsilinux.ir, and I think soon we'll have a great > place > >> > > > where we can welcome anyone (even FarsiWeb guys) who wants to > >> > > > contribute to LibreOffice. > >> > > > > >> > > > Hossein > >> > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Farzaneh Sarafraz > >> > > > <farza...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > We already have a homepage at fa.openoffice.org. I also have a > >> > > > > local full recent backup of the data there. Thanks, Hossein for > >> > > > > showing interest in the > >> > > > > fa_IR project, but I think you should put a link to the page we > >> > > > > already have > >> > > > > rather than a non-existing external personal (?) page. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I'll fix it for now until we move the page over to libreoffice. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Farzaneh. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > >> > > > > l10n+h...@libreoffice.org <l10n%2bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%2bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org>> < > >> l10n%2bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org>>> < > >> > l10n%2bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org>> < > >> l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%2525252bh...@libreoffice.org>>>>< > >> > > l10n%2bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org>> < > >> l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%2525252bh...@libreoffice.org>>> < > >> > l10n%252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%2525252bh...@libreoffice.org>> < > >> l10n%25252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%2525252bh...@libreoffice.org> < > l10n%2525252bh...@libreoffice.org <l10n%252525252bh...@libreoffice.org> > >>>> > >> List > >> > > > > archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/l10n/ *** All posts > to > >> > > > > this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Charles-H. 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