At 10:47 PM 3/6/2002 -0500, JimMarks wrote: >Please let me try to compile a complete comparison list for TAs vs. TDs >Everyone, Please feel free to add comments to clarify the comparisons I >believe are true? or maybe not? > >As a Panasonic dealer I have received inquires for service on the TAs (624s) >& so I will certainly be servicing the TAs very shortly. I have not offered >the TAs for sale because I have felt they do not offer as much as the TDs >for the comparable price?...... Maybe I am wrong or misinformed but my >beliefs or misbeliefs are as follows......
???? How can you be a Panasonic dealer and NOT offer the TA? It's my demo system of choice and a staple of my offering. Not everyone wants or can afford a/an 816/1232 DIGITAL system and the TD-308 is very nice for my office, but very small and unexpandable. In addition, the phones are/used to be less expensive for what you get. Not many people bought the 7250, in fact it was never replaced it was such a dog, but the 7050 at $82 makes a great 12-line retail set at $125. We joke about the features it doesn't have, again, no CF-Busy-N/A, poor CID and SMDR features, VM problems, but really, how many entry-level businesses buy that crap anyway? At least when you can pony up the %600 for VM, and BTW that is a trememdous bargain in today's VM market, you get Live Call Screening and Two Way Record. >TAs takes longer to initally program, or restore, no laptop programming or >remote modem programming? Yeah, a tough one to have to program up to 6 lines and 24 phones by HAND. Boo hoo. The 624 probably starts it's life on the AVERAGE of 5-8 sets. >TAs cannot use 72 or 74 (etc) series phones with XDP jacks or offer the >easier use of the 24 "one touch lit " buttons of those phones? And TD's can't connect to the internet at high speed and the TA's can. In addition, who needs a 24-line phone for a 6 linee (now 12 line) system. Remember, just because you sell them a 624 today doesn't mean you can't replace the cabinet for a TD tomorrow when they have more $$$. >TAs are limited to phones with a maximum combination together of only 12 lit >buttons for lines / dss/ blf/ VMail transfer /Record/ Record into, buttons >combination? >TAs can use the 7130 24 button phones? But that they require more >administration to advise users that to use of the non lit buttons on the top >of thier phones that they have to press the "intercom" button before using >one of those unlit feature buttons on the top of thier phones? But if they >want to use one of the lit style buttons they can just press it & get that >feature same as the digital phones? Geeze, you actually let users program the top 12 buttons for DSS buttons? A better man than I :-). The key is to price 7130's at really high rates. In most cases, the customer is looking for least cost in the first place. Rounded up, the 7030 sells for $150 and the 7130 for $200, actual marked up wholesale being about $43 on a 1.3 mark. How many customers looking for small, pony up the extra $50 a phone? Now with the TA1232 it becomes a different scenario, but, until Pana dropped another $100 off the wholesale and kicked in the $300 rebate for the TA, I could usually sell a TD1232 in place of a TA when the customer got to that size. >The TAs do not have an intercept ring interval program feature area on thier >CO line features? Until -5 the TD's didn't have lunch and breaks. >The TAs do not have an XDP jack capabilities? I guess that's why it's called a tA. >Price wise the 824 was more expensive than the td816 features when you >expand it fully? You better go back to spreadsheet school if you come up with that. First of all, you're dealing apples and oranges, or at least oranges and tangerines. A 4x16 TD 816 is at least $300 more than a 3x16 or 6x16 TA. Since one maxes out at 8x16 and the other at 6x24 it's pretty hard to compare when you get into the breakpoint. Each box has it's niche and best of all, you can sell BOTH and know that the analog phones the customer buys today won't be obsolete on the digital tomorrow :-). Remember, the TD didn't have FOUR doorphone/opener ports until the -5....whatever good those are. And yes, I know the whole purpose for hanging onto my TD-308 is for CID to a single line port (the lady in my Nortel 9516 would become very quiet if I lose that CID port). So which is better? THEY BOTH ARE! I can tell you about Comdial and Vodavi if you've got a couple of hours. The Comdial DX-80 as a package is pretty inexpensive...until you add in-skin voice mail. It seems to me that 8 ports and 130 hours is just a bit of overkill. It's very depressing when the VM retails for $2K and the KSU with 4 phones is less than the VM :-). The other thing that makes me go hmmm is why does Amanda keep raising their VM prices? The 2-port Mini-SOHO is up to $659 and I think they want something really outrageous for the power supply if it dies. O.K. I'm done, fire away all :-) Carl Navarro _________________________________________________________________ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
