You are correct. It will not start on the ground without pumps. It also 
probably would not start in the air with no pumps. What I said was it continued 
to run with no pumps. The facets are reliable as many of us have proven. 

Mark Jones 

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> On Jun 12, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Dave Acklam via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> At least for my plane, with 5gal in the tank it won't even start without a
> pump (I tried, right after I hooked the EFS-2 up - No dice. Fuel present
> all the way through, and it runs on starting fluid, so that (IMHO) leaves
> insufficient pressure). Given that there is only about 8" of vertical
> distance between the bottom of the tank and the EFS-2 inlet... It seems
> that a pumped system will fix this...
> 
> Based on what Mark L said, the Great Plains facet pumps should work
> just-fine...
> 
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Mark Jones via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org
>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm hesitant to rely on the 'facet' type electric pump - they look kind of
>>> flimsy & if the pump stops the engine quits...
>>> 
>> 
>> This statement is not necessarily true. Back in the early days of my KR2S
>> flying with my EFS-3 Corvair engine I had a complete pump failure due to a
>> broken ground wire. Being young and dumb at the time I had just buzzed my
>> brother in laws house and went to pull up. I applied full throttle and
>> nothing happened. Pucker factor: HUGE. I was about 500 feet and was
>> thinking of nothing but where I was going to land the plane. I headed
>> straight for the interstate about three miles in front of me. My engine was
>> running at about 1900 RPM which was enough to keep me level. I was now 13
>> miles from the airport which was straight down the interstate. Now
>> realizing I had a 13 mile runway in front of me I began to calm down and
>> focused on getting to the airport. No fuel pumps but the engine was sucking
>> enough fuel through the EFS-3 to keep her airborne.  Back at the airport I
>> found the ground wire which serviced both pumps had broken. The Facet pumps
>> themselves never failed me in 549 flight hours I put on my KR2S.
>> I may have sold my KR2S but I still have the memories. The worst memory is
>> selling the plane. I wish I could go back and reverse that sale.
>> 
>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>> Dunedin, FL
>> 
>> E-mail: flyk...@gmail.com
>> Web: www.flykr2s.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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