OZ wrote:

> The "real" rivnut tool isn't cheap and neither is the "simplified" model,
> but there is a mandrel available such that you can install them using your
> regular pop rivet puller.  My question is, does a regular pop rivet puller
> have enough backbone to pull a rivnut?

Sound like Serge's tool will work fine, given his experience, but you do 
need to be careful.  The project I just finished up (at work)  required 
several hundred knurled rivnuts (which are less likely to spin), so we 
learned a lot about them in the fabrication process.  Maybe Serge and I are 
talking two completely different kinds, so I can only speak to the ones we 
used, which came from McMaster Carr.  We cheaped out and bought the 
"simplified model" ($170 or so), but I don't see a lot of difference between 
that and the $250 model.   The problem with that is if you don't get it 
tight enough, the rivnut just spins, and you can't tighten up the bolt.  If 
you squeeze it too tight, the threads get scrunched up and distort, and the 
bolt binds and the rivnut spins.  You'd think after several hundred, you 
could get the feel of it, or get it adjusted correctly, but it never 
happened.  Keep in mind that these guys are not just "Bubbas", they're 
well-trained experts who commonly fabricate space, defense, and nuclear 
hardware day-to-day.  We eventually drilled every one of them out and welded 
custom made aluminum inserts into those holes, and have had no problems 
since.  These were relatively large rivnuts (3/16", 1/4" and 3/8"), so it 
may be that the smaller stuff that we'd use on airplanes isn't as touchy, 
but I personally have deleted them from my fastening options list, next time 
I have something in a blind hole that needs threads.  Some of these rivnuts 
were $4-5 each, but the bosses we welded in were made overnight for about 
thirty cents each on our CNC lathe, and were welded in place about as fast 
as you could use the rivnut installation tool, but that's not an option for 
most homebuilders...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net 


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