I am trying to remember exactly where I saw this but I did download the 
picture.  One too many Fosters, I suspect or simply a "senior moment", however, 
one KR builder built a vacuum horn into the wing fairing.  This made for a very 
clean and neat installation.  I was going to do the same thing until I found a 
very reasonably priced (and NIB) electric turn and bank indicator for my KR 
making a vacuum source unnecessary.  Anyway, unless you plan on flying through 
weather and doing your best to ice up the bird anyway, icing is not a problem.  
Nesting bees and bird might be, but icing should not be a concern.  Now where 
did I put my Geritol?

Scott Cable wrote:

> Jerry,During my drag racing days, I had a Dodge Challenger, with a killer 440 
> Cu In. engine.  It had a huge roller cam in it, (2800rpm idle) so low speed 
> idle and vacuum signal was non-existant.  The engine had fender exit headers, 
> and about 3 inches downstream of where the primary tubes joined, a check 
> valve with a tube was welded into the collector. The tube had a downstream 
> facing opening, so when the exhaust pulse flows over it, a vacuum was 
> created.The check valve promoted one way flow, so the exhaust could never 
> enter.  These check valves are for where the smog pump injection pump, pumps 
> air into the catylitic converter. 80's Dodge pick-up trucks used one for 
> instance.A 5/8" hose was connected to it and terminated with a breather 
> fitted to the valve cover.  This "vacuum pan system" replaced the Positive 
> Crankcase Ventilation valve (PCV), and was worth a couple of horsepower.  It 
> was quickly learned that a breather cap had to be added on the opposite valve 
> cover to prevent the
> oilpan and valve cover gaskets from being sucked in and causing a leak.  
> That's how much power the system had.  But remember the application, a large 
> cubic inch engine turning at high RPM's.  I never did put a gauge on it to 
> find out exactly how much vaccum the system actually made.  Jeg's sells a 
> system in their catalog, or on-line 
> at:http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1783&prmenbr=361
>  for $31+ shippingJeg's has alot of really cool race car stuff that has 
> application for aircraft use (like Russell hose and fittings).
>
> KRJerry <krje...@bellsouth.net> wrote:Netters.........
>
> Have any of you guys looked at drawing a vacum from your exhaust.....?
>
> After the Wannabee gets into the air we are going to look into it again. We
> have both considered it before on other planes..............
>
> N64KR
> Jerry Mahurin
> Lugoff, SC
> krje...@bellsouth.net
> http://kr-builder.org
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: KR builders and pilots
> Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 03:13:12 PM
> To: KR builders and pilots
> Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long
>
> I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be done but
> is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I haven
> t flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here it is
>
> The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn
> coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has no
> other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in the
> soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it will
> probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any other
> gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and partial
> panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing
> tomorrow.
>
> I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicator,
> but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After I get
> some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood with
> just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the
> right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it
> IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother making
> it IFR.
>
> Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country plane
> I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, etc.
>
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Dana Overall
> Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long
>
> >
> > I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one)
> concerning
>
> the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind.
>
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> Scott Cable
> KR-2S # 735
> Linden, MI
> s2cab...@yahoo.com
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