Jerry,During my drag racing days, I had a Dodge Challenger, with a killer 440 
Cu In. engine.  It had a huge roller cam in it, (2800rpm idle) so low speed 
idle and vacuum signal was non-existant.  The engine had fender exit headers, 
and about 3 inches downstream of where the primary tubes joined, a check valve 
with a tube was welded into the collector. The tube had a downstream facing 
opening, so when the exhaust pulse flows over it, a vacuum was created.The 
check valve promoted one way flow, so the exhaust could never enter.  These 
check valves are for where the smog pump injection pump, pumps air into the 
catylitic converter. 80's Dodge pick-up trucks used one for instance.A 5/8" 
hose was connected to it and terminated with a breather fitted to the valve 
cover.  This "vacuum pan system" replaced the Positive Crankcase Ventilation 
valve (PCV), and was worth a couple of horsepower.  It was quickly learned that 
a breather cap had to be added on the opposite valve cover to prevent the 
oilpan and valve cover gaskets from being sucked in and causing a leak.  That's 
how much power the system had.  But remember the application, a large cubic 
inch engine turning at high RPM's.  I never did put a gauge on it to find out 
exactly how much vaccum the system actually made.  Jeg's sells a system in 
their catalog, or on-line 
at:http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1783&prmenbr=361
 for $31+ shippingJeg's has alot of really cool race car stuff that has 
application for aircraft use (like Russell hose and fittings).

KRJerry <krje...@bellsouth.net> wrote:Netters.........

Have any of you guys looked at drawing a vacum from your exhaust.....?

After the Wannabee gets into the air we are going to look into it again. We
have both considered it before on other planes..............


N64KR
Jerry Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
krje...@bellsouth.net
http://kr-builder.org


-------Original Message-------

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 03:13:12 PM
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long

I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be done but
is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I haven
t flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here it is


The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn
coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has no
other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in the
soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it will
probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any other
gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and partial
panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing
tomorrow.

I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicator,
but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After I get
some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood with
just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the
right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it
IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother making
it IFR.

Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country plane
I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, etc.

-------Original Message-------
From: Dana Overall 
Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long

> 
> I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one)
concerning 

the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind. 



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