Dear David, thanks for your input. I'm cc your advice to the NBS Koha
administrator. Hope that it will solve the problem.
Thank you.
Michael
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David Liddle <da...@liddles.net>於2025年3月6日 下午4:03寫道：
Michael, your test on Teamwork fails with "TR" (Times New Roman, the serif
option) because that font retains its original mapping to DejaVuSerif.ttf. I
suspect that serif support wouldn't make sense for this usage. Most likely, the
server administrator of your system there needs to install a font that is fully
Unicode-ready and edit the font mappings accordingly in "koha-conf.xml". Has
that been done? For example,:
sudo apt install fonts-unifont
sudo nano /etc/koha/sites/{libraryName}/koha-conf.xml
Edit entries in section "<!-- true type font mapping according to type from
$font_types in C4/Creators/Lib.pm -->"
I'm going to suppose that it's best to only use those entries and not attempt
to add others, since the base entries in "C4/Creators/Lib.pm" can and will be
overwritten by updates and upgrades.
On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 4:28 PM Michael Leung
<ykleu...@msn.com<mailto:ykleu...@msn.com>> wrote:
Since I'm not member of the list-serve my reply message was rejected (I guess).
I found that it works in Teamwork but not ok with NBS library, even they have
same setting for label printing.
Thank you for your investigation.
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Subject: Re: [Koha] Printing spine labels in non-Roman characters, Thai in
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Dear David,
Thanks for your input. Do you mean I can do a test in the Teamwork koha using
our template and layout?
I setup a test in Teamwork and found that both font type "C" and "H" can print
Thai character, but "TR" was failed.
However, it didn't work in our NBS library instance even I chose the same font
setting in our layouts (chose "C" and "H", they are all failed). It shows a
square bracket instead of the Thai alphabets. That is strange.
Thank you for your investigation.
Michael
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correspondence. This is my preferred email address. Thank you.
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Subject: Re: [Koha] Printing spine labels in non-Roman characters, Thai in
particular
Thank you, David, for chiming in with immensely useful information! I manage
another system with which Michael is familiar, and your contribution has helped
me understand it better. (I came into administration of this server only a few
years ago. At one point, I discovered that there is a crazy number of font
packages installed, and I wasn't sure why.)
Michael, if it helps, the Debian package "fonts-unifont" is installed on our
server. The relevant section of "koha-conf.xml" reads as follows:
<!-- true type font mapping according to type from $font_types in
C4/Creators/Lib.pm -->
<ttf>
<font type="Ft1" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont.ttf</font>
<font type="Ft2" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont_upper.ttf</font>
<font type="TR" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSerif.ttf</font>
<font type="TB"
>/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSerif-Bold.ttf</font>
<font type="TI"
>/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSerif-Italic.ttf</font>
<font
type="TBI">/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSerif-BoldItalic.ttf</font>
<font type="C" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont.ttf</font>
<font type="CB" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont_upper.ttf</font>
<font type="CO" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont_csur.ttf</font>
<font type="CBO">/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont_csur.ttf</font>
<font type="H" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont.ttf</font>
<font type="HB" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont_upper.ttf</font>
<font type="HO" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont_csur.ttf</font>
<font type="HBO">/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unifont/unifont_csur.ttf</font>
</ttf>
I can't immediately explain the added entries, or why some of the default types
continue to use DejaVu. But if spine labels work in Thai from there, then
perhaps the same or similar configuration will work for the system you and Fred
have put together.
All the best,
David Liddle
System Administrator
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:52 AM David Cook
<dc...@prosentient.com.au<mailto:dc...@prosentient.com.au>> wrote:
Sawasdee krub Fred and Michael,
I went on this journey back in 2022 with a library in Hong Kong to get the
Label Creator to create PDFs that contained Traditional Chinese. I'll try to
explain the process I went down (and how it might be different for you now).
In koha-conf.xml you'll find a "ttf" section which lists a number of TrueType
Font files which get paired up to font types that you'll see in the Label
Creator. From memory, the DejaVu font covers a number of scripts like Latin,
Greek, Cyrillic, Arabic, and I think Hebrew. Maybe even Devanagari. But they
don't for Chinese and Japanese, and I suspect they don't for Thai either. (You
can double-check by using the program FontForge to view the font files as
glyphs mapped against Unicode code points.)
What this means is that you need to use a font that supports the Thai script
like "Noto Sans Thai".
Most importantly, you need to use a TrueType Font file (.ttf) for this font.
Once you have it, you put it on your server, and change the mapping in
koha-conf.xml to point to it.
Now... in my case with NotoSansTC-Regular, I don't think there was a TrueType
Font file available at that time. Google only provided OTF files and the
"fonts-noto-cjk" Linux package only provided TTC files, and the PDF::Reuse
library couldn't handle either of those. What I had to do was open the
NotoSansTC-Bold.otf in FontForge, flatten the OTF subfonts into one font,
re-encoded to UnicodeBMP, and then add in glyphs for "space" and "hyphen" as
they'd mysteriously vanished. I then exported as TTF, and I had a file that
worked for printing Traditional Chinese in the Koha Label Creator!
These days, it looks like Google supplies .ttf files from their website, so I
think that you should be able to just download Noto Sans Thai, map it in
koha-conf.xml, and have success. (Note that I have not tried it though.)
Something to remember is that typically Noto Sans fonts also include the Latin
script, so you'll have support for both English and Thai.
Alternatively, you can use Bywater's Koha plugin koha-plugin-label-maker which
leverages your browser and your system's installed fonts to render many
different scripts. This is probably the most robust option, but for Koha
built-in features and where you need support for a particular language that
isn't supported by the DejaVu font... the above should work.
(If you were so inclined, a person could technically make a font with an
assemblage of all the scripts they need to support, but it would take some work
and technical knowledge.)
Anyway, I hope that answers most of your questions!
David Cook
Senior Software Engineer
Prosentient Systems
Suite 7.03
6a Glen St
Milsons Point NSW 2061
Australia
Office: 02 9212 0899
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 21:47:39 +0000
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Hello everybody,
A while back I helped an institution in Thailand set up a Koha instance for
their library. Now they need to print spine labels in the Thai alphabet, and I
haven't been able to figure out how. I set up their instance to include the
Thai language module, but the characters aren't appearing in spine labels. Can
anyone assist them? I don't think they're on the Koha discussion list (or
Mattermost), so please include Michael Leung
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in your replies. (And to the list--I want to know, too!)
Thanks to all,
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