On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051...@gmail.com> wrote:
> see my responses inline. > > Hi Jonathan and everyone else :) Finally got sometime to read and reply ... > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjja...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> A moment of truth before it is too late :) >> >> >> 1. I'm totally lost with many emails with the very same subject >> and/or contents, talking about almost the same thing. The only difference >> is: there are more than one email. But if someone read these emails, >> he/she >> will find hard time to tell the 'real' difference and the real reason >> behind several threads. I do fail to see the point here and have no idea >> why? do we lack the basics of communications? or am I missing something >> here? no blaming here, just being super honest and direct to the point. >> 2. Before X disagrees with Y and before Y responds to X, and before Z >> steps in and do anything ... can we please take a moment and re-think in >> different way? aren't we missing something MUCH MORE important and obvious >> than a website and recruiting people or mailing lists or servers? perhaps >> I >> was very wrong for NOT prioritize our to do list - blame me if you wish - >> but let's look ahead and move forward .. in the same time, learn from our >> mistakes. Something is missing here - to be discussed in #3 >> 3. We DO NEED a project/team structure BEFORE we start ANYTHING. Why? >> because I, for one, have no idea what is going on? who is in charge of >> what? why X steps in always and Y is watching? lots of unanswered Qs and >> the reason is, I/We are discussing a LESS important topics thinking these >> topics are the most important of all. No. We're wrong. We do miss much >> more >> important step .. thanks to Gustavo who mentioned that in away on one of >> his replies. >> 4. I'd suggest before we move forward with anything, we MUST come up >> with a team structure and distribute the tasks :) without that, it would >> be >> a REAL HUGE MESS. >> 5. Once we are done form that (it should take 24 maximum), we can >> move forward in more effective, organized and productive way. >> >> Agree totally here to all points. > Thank you for sharing your feedback/opinion :) > > >> In short, I think the NEW priority to-do-list is: >> >> - *Team Structure:* >> >> >> 1. Each one of us MUST - IMHO - has a role. >> 2. Once each one of us has a role, he/she will have a tasks to do. >> 3. While it is very healthy to share opinions within the team, I find >> it - specially in the future - very hard to carry on if X will step into >> Y's area and so on. While Kibo's concept is taken from Ubuntu where a >> whole >> team could lead a project, that must be tweaked as Kibo is a business >> project and tasks - IMHO - must be distributed wisely and *before* >> that, roles must be decided first. >> >> Agreed as well with the points. > Thank you again for sharing your opinion :) > Are these set out on the website yet? > Do you want the truth? I still don't know the roles and the tasks of most of us. That's indeed why I had to start a new thread and write about it. > If not they should be that way one can go to the site and use it as a > reference as to whose doing what. > Our clients will not be interested if X is doing website design and Y is doing Marketing. They will deal with us as Kibo, the one shop shop for IT/Tech Solutions. This is something I have learned in 2005. When a clients calls in, he/she is dealing with the company he/she paid for. He/She may care less whether he/she is talking to Ali, Sara, Jack, or whoever. He/She is calling Kibo. However, under 'Team' Page, it would be great to list our names, our LinkedIn, maybe our contacts and above all, our roles. Some of you may disagree with me but if I'm a client, coming to a new project, before trust, I need to see and check if those people are really skilled and experienced or not. Showing off our profiles is good idea IMHO. > In terms of back end server admin stuff. Since I caused all this confusion > I can kindly step back or push forward to lead the infrastructure team. > > I have in mind two main roles: 1. Leading Roles: Team Leader, Driver, Manager .. whatever you name it. He/She is the one who will do the tasks assigned to him/her + leading his/her area. 2. Members: who will do tasks assigned to them. It is for each one of you to decide what he/she wants :) *Suggestion:* Why not doing it this way? each one of you send me his/her CV + what the things he/she can do + what he/she wants to do within Kibo. If you agree to this idea, kindly don't use the mailing list .. just send me so that we won't create more confusion! > >> 1. >> >> >> - *Internal Team Communications:* >> >> >> 1. The current approach is definitely not healthy and not doing any >> good to us at all. Something is wrong. Before we spend time, efforts and >> energy to blame the platform, let's have a moment of truth and admit we're >> not following the correct way to communicate. At least, this is what I >> feel. Feel free to disagree with me. >> 2. Once we find out what is wrong with our internal communications, >> we need to find the BEST alternatives for US, not for the world. It is WE >> who are going to use some platforms and before these are helpful for US, >> these platforms MUST help Kibo. Remember, without Kibo, we're no longer a >> team if you know what I mean. Kibo's project is gathering us under one >> roof. So, whatever we need to go for, this must first of all help Kibo >> itself before it helps us. What you don't like might help the project. >> What >> does not help the project might be very great for you. Kibo first, then >> us. >> Feel free to disagree with me and I'm open to any >> correction/suggestion/feedback. >> 3. If we are serious enough, why only Emily has sent me her phone >> number? no trust? or you disagree? forgot? what is the reason why I have >> not received any other phone number? >> 4. We should have MORE than 1 platform to communicate. I would name: >> >> >> - Phones for urgent and important stuff >> - Emails (not mailing lists, I mean E-mails) >> - Since we're meeting and doing video calls on Google Hangout, our >> Google+ Community could be used as a secondary media or platforms. >> - Perhaps a 4th media/platform for internal communications NOT work >> progress, projects, etc. I am talking about communications here :) >> >> >> Phones: will give you ali my number in private. and we can create a group > on whats app if that is what we are using. For me that is the easiest and > least costly to me in terms of messaging etc. > Yes please. It would be very handy. Maybe not now, not after one month nor after 2. But definitely in the future, we will need that and you never know when so better safe than sorry. I always like to consider all the options so to take the less damage. If something is broken and I'm totally stuck, I would shout for help. Just an example. If I'm sick or something, I can contact one of you, specially if I'm not able to access any computer, etc. You guys are not forced to do that :) > emails: you already have everyones personal email from the LP mailing list > Of course I have the email of each and everyone of you! > hangouts: sadly the time you guys meet I would be fast asleep. > Yes, I know that. By time, we can hopefully choose a better time for all of us. Until then, I think the time will remain as it is. > other platform: I want to suggest etherpad (its like google docs in a way) > it will allow us to share ideas as well as be a place for meeting points to > be put and different project tasks its an alternative to trello. and open > source > But, is that for daily internal communications? remember, I'm not talking about project management here, nor agenda for a meeting, etc. I'm talking about daily communications, just like what we're doing right now :) > > >> >> - *Website:* >> >> >> 1. The logo must be ready to be published. >> 2. Website Alpha should be ready in 24-48 hours from now. Once that >> is ready, we can start tweaking, updating, adding, etc. >> 3. By 1st of Feb, 2015, the final version of our website must be up >> and running as we discussed before. >> 4. Our website is not only for clients, it is also for newcomers we >> need to recruit. This link: http://amjjawad.net/kibo/ is not helpful >> and people need to 'see' more organized stuff. So, having an up and >> running >> website is helpful in two ways: clients and recruiting. >> 5. While we believe in: "All of us are smarter than anyone if us", >> there must be a website team who take FULL responsibility. Because we're >> only 7 at this point, we need a technical person and someone who knows >> what >> to put on the website. More might be helpful but I fail to see why we >> should allocate more than 2 out of 7 for the website unless I'm missing >> something. This should be done 'after' having a final website. Since we're >> at the Alpha Stage for the website, I think more hands are needed unless >> I'm wrong. >> >> This can stay on my server for now its no problem at all. > I do not have any problem if Kibo's website remain on your own personal server. > I have something else I want to implement to make things even quicker > called HHVM which does some interesting stuff with php. > Nice ;) > >> 1. >> >> >> - *Recruit people: *Only when all the above is done or at least we >> started working on, we can start to recruit people from: >> >> >> 1. Real Life: each one of us - IMHO - should help and recruit. >> 2. Social Media: by using different channels such as our own >> channels. Kibo's channels are new and without followers now. Later, that >> can be different. >> 3. Internet: Blogs, contact 3rd parties, etc. >> 4. Please note: there is NO harm to recruit people while working on >> the above items, I am not saying do not recruit. I am setting priorities >> from my eyes and I could be wrong :) >> >> >> I couldn't sleep last night and I missed ToriOS's team because I couldn't >> come up with the above list last night. I guess I managed to do that now. >> >> I'm not an expert, I'm not perfect. I will never claim that in my entire >> life. You could be better than me. You can do things in better ways with >> better results. There are lots of things I might be wrong about. There are >> too lots of things you could be correct about. All that is not important, >> trust me. What does really matter is: *Kibo* and the *team*. >> >> All of us are smarter than anyone of us. Only, if that will be done in >> the correct way. >> >> Every beginning is hard. >> >>> *Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they >>> were to success when they gave up.* >>> >> And, I'm sure you know who said that one :) >> >> I have started Kibo, not because I'm jobless and striving to find a job. >> I have started Kibo because I believe in the concepts and above all, I want >> to do something I love, not something I have to do just because I'm forced >> to do just because I need money. Life worth much more than money. You may >> disagree with me, that's fine, but this is how I see it from my eyes. >> >> Last but not least, our disagreements should NOT tear us apart, period. >> >> Have a wonderful day, everyone! >> >> P.S. >> >> I don't want to share my own number on a public mailing list but once you >> send yours, I shall reply with mine. >> >> P.S.2 >> >> We need to use a free messaging service and the best option for me now is >> Whatsapp. Works on my two very old phones :) >> >> -- >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >> Best Regards, >> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad> >> http://torios.org - StartUbuntu <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu> - >> Ubuntu >> GNOME <http://ubuntugnome.org/> - http://amjjawad.net >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project >> Post to : kibo-project@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > Thank you! -- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad> http://torios.org - StartUbuntu <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu> - Ubuntu GNOME <http://ubuntugnome.org/> - http://amjjawad.net
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