I think if someone downloads OJ Plus, there's an expectation that it will
be much bigger than plain OJ, so a 50 MB download should be acceptable. If
not, the user can download plain OJ, and install the plugins she wants
manually.
-Larry
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 8:45 AM, <edgar.sol...@web.de> wrote:
> just wanted to point out the size increase. personally i can also live
> with the full monty, native spatialite libs for all platforms in PLUS!
> other GIS are 200MB in size and popular nonetheless!
>
> ..ede
>
> On 25.12.2013 16:39, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > That is true. How about including only the jdbc driver, it is 3.5 MB,
> serves all platforms and it is enough for doing the basic spatialite blob
> reading which is also the unique feature in DB Query? I fear that if users
> would need to do several downloads from different places before running a
> plugin, they won't do it. At least before we have some kind of plugin
> manager tool.
> >
> > -Jukka Rahkonen-
> > ________________________________________
> > Edgar Soldin wrote:
> >
> >> current PLUS is 43MB.. an extra 9MB would make it 20% bigger, that is
> quite something!
> >
> >> what would be the drawback if we do not deliver the native libraries?
> >
> >> Larry: will you integrate the sqlite-jdbc-*.jar into your extensions
> distro?
> >
> >> how about creating a package like the one for gdal, that people can
> download and extract into their OJ folder?
> >
> >> ..ede
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25.12.2013 16:01, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Why not to offer a really cutting edge Spatialite support with
> OpenJUMP? Dowload sizes are not at all huge
> >>
> >> - jts 1.4 snapshot - no extra
> >> - sqlite-jdbc-3.8.0-20130827.035027-1.jar - 3.5 MB
> >> - spatialite-4.2.0-test-win-x86 (native Spatialite dlls for Win-32) 2.5
> MB zipped
> >> - spatialite-4.2.0-test-win-amd64 (native Spatialite dlls for Win-32)
> 2.6 MB zipped
> >>
> >> All these are not offially available with any other GIS program so we
> could stand on a peak for a while. Packages take only 9 MB extra space when
> zipped and under 40 MB after unzipping the dll files. I have made tests
> with 32-bit and 64-bit Windows. Both the pure java blob reading and
> advanced Spatialite stuff seems to work OK. For testing with spatialite
> dlls I placed the all the dll files into lib\ext and added the following
> string into spatialite connection
> >> ?spatialite=spatialite.dll
> >>
> >> Ede may know how to install the native 32/64 bit stuff so that right
> version will be selected and that the spatialite.dll finds right versions
> of the dependencies.
> >>
> >> About real spatialite support for Linux and Mac, I have no idea about
> how to do that. It looks like 80% of OJ downloads are for Windows so
> perhaps it would be acceptable to support only Windows at first. The
> download links for the Windows binaries can be found from document
> >> http://www.gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/spatialite-cookbook/html/java.html
> >>
> >> I guess that there will be stable packages soon but today the download
> links are
> >> http://www.gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/spatialite-4.2.0-test-win-x86.7z
> >> http://www.gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/spatialite-4.2.0-test-win-amd64.7z
> >>
> >> The speed is really good. On a 64-bit laptop the direct blob reader
> gets 500000 OpenStreetMap multipolygons in 4 seconds, and reading the same
> polygons reprojected to other SRS with Spatialite binaries takes 34 seconds.
> >>
> >> -Jukka-
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> Lähettäjä: edgar.sol...@web.de [edgar.sol...@web.de]
> >> Lähetetty: 25. joulukuuta 2013 12:25
> >> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
> >> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] OJ 1.7, DB Query, Spatialite and JTS
> >>
> >> Jukka & all,
> >>
> >> would you like to see the SQLite jdbc driver part of DBQuery extension
> or rather download it separately for sake of small distro size?
> >>
> >> ..ede
> >>
> >> On 24.12.2013 23:37, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> To be best compatible with the next version of Spatialite native
> binaries it would be good to use a jdbc driver for SQLite version 3.8. A
> snapshot is available at
> >>>
> https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/org/xerial/sqlite-jdbc/3.8.0-SNAPSHOT/sqlite-jdbc-3.8.0-20130827.035027-1.jar
> >>>
> >>> SQlite 3.7.x will work fine for direct reading of Spatialite blobs but
> 3.8.x version is needed for loading the next version of Spatialite as an
> extension.
> >>> http://www.gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/spatialite-cookbook/html/java.html
> >>>
> >>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> edgar soldin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> i would make including sqlite jar depending on how your extension
> handles it. meaning, we actually package your extension, so if it is
> included in there it'll end up in OJ, if not you hopefully have it
> documented in a readme or such ;)
> >>>
> >>> ..ede
> >>>
> >>> On 24.12.2013 16:33, Larry Reeder wrote:
> >>>> Hey Ede,
> >>>>
> >>>> I tested with OpenJUMP-20131224-r3854-PLUS (jar installer, installing
> on Linux), and it didn't work initially due to missing sqlite JDBC jars.
> I added the jdbc jar to the classpath (put it in lib/ext/jumpdbquery-0.9.0)
> and multigeometries worked great. If you want to add SQLite JDBC drivers
> to the OpenJump package, you can download them here:
> https://bitbucket.org/xerial/sqlite-jdbc/downloads. Alternatively, the
> maven pom dependency entry is:
> >>>>
> >>>> <dependencies>
> >>>> <dependency>
> >>>> <groupId>org.xerial</groupId>
> >>>> <artifactId>sqlite-jdbc</artifactId>
> >>>> <version>3.7.2</version>
> >>>> </dependency>
> >>>> </dependencies>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I tested on Linux with both sqlite-jdbc-3.7.2.jar and the more
> recent sqlite-jdbc-3.7.15-M1.jar.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we discussed this previously, but theSQLite jars are Apache
> 2.0 licensed, so should be suitable for repackaging with OpenJump.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks........... lreeder
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:23 AM, <edgar.sol...@web.de <mailto:
> edgar.sol...@web.de>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry, Jukka,
> >>>>
> >>>> i just committed jts 1.14 snapshot to OJ trunk. could one of you
> please check if the spatialite multigeometry bug has vanished finally?
> >>>>
> >>>> happy holidays.. ede
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 23.12.2013 04 <tel:23.12.2013%2004>:40, Martin Davis wrote:
> >>>> > Thanks, Larry. Patch is commited.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Martin
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Larry Reeder <
> lnree...@gmail.com <mailto:lnree...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:lnree...@gmail.com<mailto:
> lnree...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Martin, I've attached a patch for WKBReader that uses the
> initial endian flag for multigeometries and ignores the flag for contained
> geometries if the endianness flag is something besides the XDR/NDR flags.
> The patch also includes a test case that use multigeometries exported from
> the Spatialite internal BLOB format.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The patch was made against a recent checkout of JTS 1.14
> from the Sourceforge SVN. Can you apply to the JTS trunk? Let me know if
> you'd like me to submit it in some other way.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks........... lreeder
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Martin Davis <
> mtncl...@gmail.com <mailto:mtncl...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:mtncl...@gmail.com<mailto:
> mtncl...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > That strategy still makes sense to me.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > M
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Larry Reeder <
> lnree...@gmail.com <mailto:lnree...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:lnree...@gmail.com<mailto:
> lnree...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Now that cold is here, I've got more time to stay
> indoors and code. I'm willing to submit a JTS patch with sample data and
> unit tests.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Martin, in implementing the patch, I will be
> following the guidance in your suggestion on April 21, 2013:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > " The WKBReader can be changed to only switch
> endianess when
> >>>> > the code is one of the two specified in the
> standard (0 = BigEndian, 1 =
> >>>> > LittleEndian). If any other code is read then the
> endianess will be left
> >>>> > unchanged. That should handle the SpatialLite BLOB
> format, right? And
> >>>> > it avoids any explicit dependency on magic numbers
> from SpatialLite.
> >>>> > And it still allows switching endianness mid-WKB,
> as per the standard,
> >>>> > should anyone be so perverse as to do that."
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Let me know if you see any problems there.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks........... lreeder
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Martin Davis <
> mtncl...@gmail.com <mailto:mtncl...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:mtncl...@gmail.com<mailto:
> mtncl...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I have very little time to look at this by
> year-end, I'm afraid.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Did someone have code to commit for fixing
> this? (with sample data for unit tests) ?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:30 PM, <
> edgar.sol...@web.de <mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de> <mailto:
> edgar.sol...@web.de <mailto:edgar.sol...@web.de>>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 02.12.2013 22:11, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> >>>> > > Hi,
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > We have many exciting new features and I
> suppose we will have a great new OpenJUMP 1.7 rather soon. It would be
> excellent to have a well working Spatialite support in OJ 1.7 Plus through
> DB Query plugin, but the issue with reading multigeometries remains [1].
> Martin almost promised to make a fix into JTS [2] but I do not see such a
> commit in the JTS code [3]. The best I can hope to happen is to get the fix
> into the new BSD/EPL licensed JTS release [4] but perhaps Martin is busy
> with other things and that will not happen.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Do we have other alternatives for making
> the DB Query plugin to work well with Spatialite on current OJ than
> flipping in the old JTS version when Spatialite support is on a wishlist?
> Taking an old jts-1.12.jar and renaming it into jts-1.13.jar makes the
> plugin happy but probably breaks some cool new stuff and is thus a poor
> workaround.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > [1]
> http://sourceforge.net/p/jts-topo-suite/bugs/36/
> >>>> > > [2]
> http://sourceforge.net/p/jts-topo-suite/mailman/message/31118630/
> >>>> > > [3]
> http://sourceforge.net/p/jts-topo-suite/code/commit_browser
> >>>> > > [4]
> http://sourceforge.net/p/jts-topo-suite/mailman/message/31422827/
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > i already proposed an alternative,
> >>>> >
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.jts.topo-suite.user/6
> >>>> >
> >>>> > but Larry wanted to wait for Martin..
> >>>> > @Larry, Martin: what's your take on this
> nearing the end of this year?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ..ede
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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