On 9/10/07, Sunburned Surveyor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/8/07, Stefan Steiniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hei.. > > > > last week i tested and i could extract the html pages of the wiki.. > > (after downloading the complete wiki from the backup location) > > > > But it will still need a bit more testing, e.g. if we can just copy the > > > > html files into an OJ folder (probably the images won't work -as they > > are on a different server). > > > > stefan > > > > @Sunburned: > > already quite a while i wonder if your email program does not support > > "citation" of the pervious email. You just type "enter" at the position > > where you want to add a comment. This way you do not need to recap the > > whole text, and it is easier for us to see immidately what has been > > written in the previous post and what is your comment. (e.g. Mozilla > > Thunderbird marks lines beginning with ">" that are usually part of the > > old emai in blue color).
How is this? I'm using GMail, so what you suggest when responding to e-mails is possible. I prefer the other way for reasons of personal taste. I can do it this way if it bothers you. :] SS > > > > Sunburned Surveyor schrieb: > > > Peppe wrote: "I still consider that OJ has to open a small HELP.PDF > > > file (people have to download it and put in a OJ > > > folder). > > > A small PDF (with all the essential information about > > > the tools and functions) could be translated in > > > different languages. Even if it is not regularly > > > upgraded as the wiki page, it is very useful." > > > > > > I have no problem with a small "embedded PDF" in OpenJUMP. I don't > > > think the other developers will either, but we should let them > > > comment. > > > > > > I still like the idea of using the wiki for help. I think could use both > > > ideas. > > > > > > Peppe wrote: "This will help also to the "internationalization" > > > of OJ. If we have some help.pdf docs in other > > > languages, there's no need to internationalization all > > > OJ but only the lebels of menus." > > > > > > I don't know about this. I still think our users would want as much of > > > the interface translated as possible. > > > > > > Keep up the good work Peppe. If encourage you to move forward with the > > > preparation of a small PDF we can embed in OpenJUMP. If you get it > > > written I will TRY to find time to wire it up to a help menu command. > > > No firm commitments on this one. :] > > > > > > The Sunburned Surveyor > > > > > > > > > On 9/5/07, Giuseppe Aruta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Hi SS > > >> you wrote: "We have the contect sensitive help in > > >> OpenJUMP wired to Open the URL > > >> to the wiki. We then provide select PDF files for > > >> important help > > >> topics as a download on SourceForge for those that > > >> might not always > > >> have an internet connection." > > >> > > >> I still consider that OJ has to open a small HELP.PDF > > >> file (people have to download it and put in a OJ > > >> folder). > > >> A small PDF (with all the essential information about > > >> the tools and functions) could be translated in > > >> different languages. Even if it is not regularly > > >> upgraded as the wiki page, it is very usefull. > > >> This will help people who doesn't use english to > > >> understand the function. > > >> > > >> I can provide Italian translation, our beloved users > > >> or developers can translate in whatever language they > > >> use. E.g. the main OJ languages (Finnish, French, > > >> German) > > >> > > >> Of coarse we can in OpenJUMP menu also the the > > >> alternative to open the regular wiki page, in this > > >> case only in English > > >> > > >> -- Stefan's idea was to use "export to HTML" in the > > >> wiki page. This probabily will make the work more > > >> easy. Unfortunately this command seems not to work :( > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> P.S. This will help also to the "internationalization" > > >> of OJ. If we have some help.pdf docs in other > > >> languages, there's no need to internationalization all > > >> OJ but only the lebels of menus > > >> > > >> > > >> Peppe > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --- Sunburned Surveyor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> ha scritto: > > >> > > >>> Larry wrote: "One of the problems is that once you > > >>> have published a PDF, it is around forever > > >>> regardless of how out of > > >>> date it becomes. The web is always up to date, > > >>> which is why most new > > >>> software uses web links for help." > > >>> > > >>> You know, I never thought of that. Thanks for > > >>> pointing it out. > > >>> > > >>> Peppe wrote: "You're right Larry, but I think we > > >>> shall consider the > > >>> people who cannot be on-line every time they work. > > >>> And > > >>> also thet probabily there are still places in the > > >>> World where Internet is not so availabe whenever you > > >>> switch on a laptop (e.g. in Italy! But I would like > > >>> to > > >>> know the opinion of Ravi from India)." > > >>> > > >>> This is an excellent point Peppe. > > >>> > > >>> How is this for a suggestion: > > >>> > > >>> We have the contect sensitive help in OpenJUMP wired > > >>> to Open the URL > > >>> to the wiki. We then provide select PDF files for > > >>> important help > > >>> topics as a download on SourceForge for those that > > >>> might not always > > >>> have an internet connection. > > >>> > > >>> The Sunburned Surveyor > > >>> > > >>> P.S. - Larry - I've never opened up a URL from a > > >>> Java program before. > > >>> Would it be possible to come up with some code that > > >>> would allow a > > >>> plug-in developer to do this in a relatively easy > > >>> way? I'm not asking > > >>> you to write the code of course, i'm just wondering > > >>> if it is > > >>> conceptually possible or practical. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 9/4/07, Giuseppe Aruta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> You're right Larry, but I think we shall consider > > >>> the > > >>>> people who cannot be on-line every time they work. > > >>> And > > >>>> also thet probabily there are still places in the > > >>>> World where Internet is not so availabe whenever > > >>> you > > >>>> switch on a laptop (e.g. in Italy! But I would > > >>> like to > > >>>> know the opinion of Ravi from India). > > >>>> We probabily can leave both ideas open: 1) a > > >>>> connection to the wikipage as on-line help and 2) > > >>> the > > >>>> possibility to put a small pdf with all the > > >>> important > > >>>> information to know > > >>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>> peppe > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- Larry Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha > > >>> scritto: > > >>>>> Actually I like the idea that the wiki IS the > > >>> help. > > >>>>> We can put in a > > >>>>> menu item that simply opens the wiki help page. > > >>>>> This is the simplest > > >>>>> solution and consolidates all of the help work > > >>> with > > >>>>> no duplication of > > >>>>> effort. Keeping PDFs up to date could be a big > > >>>>> effort. I have tried > > >>>>> to do this on other projects. One of the > > >>> problems > > >>>>> is that once you > > >>>>> have published a PDF, it is around forever > > >>>>> regardless of how out of > > >>>>> date it becomes. The web is always up to date, > > >>>>> which is why most new > > >>>>> software uses web links for help. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> regards, > > >>>>> Larry > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 9/4/07, Sunburned Surveyor > > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>> Peppe, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Maybe #2 is the way to go then Peppe. We'll > > >>> need > > >>>>> to give some thought > > >>>>>> to how we organize the PDFs in a directory, > > >>> and we > > >>>>> should still think > > >>>>>> about separating the text from the images in > > >>> the > > >>>>> PDF files to reduce > > >>>>>> layout changes during translation. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> SS > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 9/2/07, Giuseppe Aruta > > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> --- Sunburned Surveyor > > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>>>> ha scritto: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I have thought about this question of > > >>>>> integrating > > >>>>>>>> help into OpenJUMP > > >>>>>>>> quite a bit. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Here are some of my thoughts, if anyone is > > >>>>>>>> interested: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [1] We could use the JavaHelp system. It > > >>> seems > > >>>>>>>> fairly comprehensive, > > >>>>>>>> is being developed and maintained by Sun > > >>>>>>>> Microsystems, and offers a > > >>>>>>>> help system most users are familiar with. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [2] We could simply open a PDF file as > > >>> Peppe > > >>>>>>>> suggested. The only > > >>>>>>>> problem with this route is that the user > > >>> will > > >>>>> have > > >>>>>>>> to have a PDF > > >>>>>>>> reader installed and OpenJUMP will need to > > >>> be > > >>>>> able > > >>>>>>>> to find it. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [3] I have considered putting together a > > >>>>> simple help > > >>>>>>>> viewer for > > >>>>>>>> OpenJUMP. This help viewer displays plain > > >>>>> text on > > >>>>>>>> its left pane, and > > >>>>>>>> images and image captions on its right. I > > >>>>> thought of > > >>>>>>>> this help viewer > > >>>>>>>> because it separates text from images, > > >>> which > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>>> important for ease of > > >>>>>>>> translation. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Of all these, number [2] is likely the > > >>>>> easiest. > > >>>>>>>> Number [1] is the > > >>>>>>>> option that offers the most functionality, > > >>> but > > >>>>> i > > >>>>>>>> think it is the most > > >>>>>>>> complex, and creates problems for > > >>> translation > > >>>>>>>> because it combines text > > >>>>>>>> and images. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The Sunburned Surveyor > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hi SS > > >>>>>>> there is a sample of [2]: MapMaker > > >>>>>>> http://www.mapmaker.com/. People can > > >>> download > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> software or the help pdf apart. > > >>>>>>> If user put the pdf in a mapmaker folder, > > >>> they > > >>>>> can > > >>>>>>> open it with an option on the help menu. > > >>>>>>> I think that this way is the easiest sinche > > >>> OJ > > >>>>> users > > >>>>>>> can download apart the help. > > >>>>>>> More than this, if there is an embedded > > >>> help, > > >>>>> this > > >>>>>>> will encourage users to discover new > > >>>>> functionalities > > >>>>>>> and to test the software > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> peppe > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ___________________________________ > > >> === message truncated === > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ___________________________________ > > >> L'email della prossima generazione? 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