I'm back of Corsica (good holidays :-)). I add some comments.
first of all, sorry, Sunburned, for not having answered your email yet.
I'll do so. Meanwhile see my comments below.
Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> mhm .. a second wiki???
> dont know.. but i agree that the old one could have a better design
>
This is a good point. Sunburned says he wants to join efforts, but that
sort of thing is fragmenting the project. Do we really need a 2nd wiki?
I think that the wiki of openjump is more than enough. The wiki is clear and easy to use. It's the best reference for OJ.
> we may call the second one, the "JPP wiki" and make it the main-page of
> the JPP project.. but not for OJ in general
> But i think i will still make the major things like FAQ in the original
> OJ wiki.. since for now it is the most important and vistied Jump
> web-site i guess => and ukwss: nether touch a running system ;)
> =========== about merging the different jump projects ... ===========
> this a difficult task since the projects have different goals:
> a) deeJump is done by a company (Lat/Lon) and Ugo has not that much time
> to integrate his improvements into OJ.. It looks also to me that their
> main target platform is Windows.
>
Why do you think our main platform is Windows??? True, we develop as we
get fundings (like any other SW Develop. company). Unfortunately I don
not have time off work to dedicate to OJ. One of the things I've done on
my own private time in the past was the plug-in manager. Sadly, it's
lying around on my HD.
> => we can't force them to make their things on the OJ CVS and their
> customers may have different needs than a normal OJ user.. further they
> do rely on a very stable version
>
We do try to wrap our plug-ins in extensions and deliver to the
community, but I don't have time for that either...Furthermore, the two
most important changes to OJ base code needed core changes too. Stefan
was the one who went into all the trouble of porting the point
symbolizers to OJ. the point is, the changes to OJ are way too fast and
somewhat chaotic, and I cannot respond as quickly.
> b) SIGLE simply works on the french version.. and they do focus mainly
> on Windows users (correct me if i am wrong)
> i am not that sure about the devel structure and how difficult it is for
> them to move to our cvs. I would be very glad if they could sign up for
> an account @ sourceforge.
SIGLE has two versions one for linux another for windows (because we use gdal for read raster files). We opened an area on sourceforge in order to make available our developments (release and cvs). The site is under construction.
We make many efforts to merge the official openjump with sigle version (see :http://www.projet-sigle.org/wiki/wakka.php?wiki=OpenJUMPPage). It's sure we can improve our road map and dev method but projet-sigle is very much in demand while contributos are limited.
> c) ISA have the same needs as Lat/Lon, but apply a pure plugin strategy
> - which might be currently the best strategy solution (concerning the
> time efforts)
> d) Pirol is a project, and has similar specifics as ISA and Lat/Lon
> e) VividSolutions may have their own ideas on the future
>
> did i forgot someone?
>
> main point on that listing is that the projects and companies have
> different needs.. thus may need functionality which are not needed by
> average OJ users. Further companies have the save-time issue..
> Thus best general strategy is the plugin-strategy. Although a more close
> work with SIGLE might be possible. The plugin strategy has only one
> disadavantage, which is the language translation thing.
>
This is a good point. One thing is to decide what's needed in the core
(raster support? yes. mrsid support? no, plug-in! point symbolizers?
yes. postgis support? yes? plug-in manager? yes! this will also require
a web server, where the plug-in reside. etc, etc...)
> I hope that we can discuss some of the future directions on that
> workshop in Lausanne. Unfortunately the way is a bit long and expensive
> for you and for the other non-europeans.. but if there are any results
> on that meeting i will report them.
>
Well, some OJ people will be there. It'll be a chance to meet and define
targets. Decisions should be taken when Sunburned is accessible. Perhaps
we could organize his virtual presence (a chat or some teleconference).
Martin Davis will also be there and it'll be a chance to ask for his
opinion.
A chat is a good point.
Kenavo.
R1.
Cheers,Hello everyone,
Ugo
> stefan
>
> Sunburned Surveyor wrote:
>
>
>> I've given everyone a couple of days to respond to my post about
>> reactivating the Development Comdmittee. I was disappointed that I
>> didn't get any responses. I'm afraid the current situation is due in
>> large part to my neglect, and the fact that I have left Stefan to
>> carry most of the administrative load.
>>
>> I am going to take a more active role in the JPP and OpenJUMP starting
>> today. I think the project has been suffering because of a lack of
>> coordination between the different teams developing there own versions
>> of OpenJUMP. I really think that OpenJUMP and the JUMP Pilot Project
>> need to have an administrator that isn't directly tied to the other
>> JUMP projects, and for the time being I will be that person.
>>
>> I think that most of the developers are concerned with improving and
>> maintaining there own versions of OpenJUMP. I understand this, but
>> hope we can all work together more in the near future. In the meantime
>> I will be making some significant changes to OpenJUMP, mostly
>> administrative in nature. Here is the agenda I will be working to
>> implement in the next couple of weeks:
>>
>> (1) Migrating to a new wiki: Our existing wiki is somewhat cluttered,
>> and we still have Jon Acquino hosting. I have started a new wiki for
>> the JPP here:
>>
>> http://thejumppilotproject.pbwiki.com/
>>
>> This wiki host is free, there is no size restriction, I can use a
>> password mechanism to prevent spamming, and I can generate a back-up
>> zip file of the wiki with a single mouse click. I will leave the
>> OpenJUMP wiki up at Jon's site until use of the new wiki picks up.
>>
>> (2) Subversion Repository: I will be creating a Subversion repository
>> for OpenJUMP source code at the SourceForge site. I believe the CVS
>> repository can remain in place. However, I am using Subversion as my
>> main source code repository for other projects, I think it has
>> definite advantages over CVS, and I know it works well with Eclipse on
>> both Windows and Linux operating systems. I will also be creating some
>> standards for those developers that want to commit to the subversion
>> repository.
>>
>> (3) Preventing Plug-In Chaos: I've got a link on the new wiki site for
>> a plug-in catalog. I hope to start tracking information about plug-ins
>> that can be used in OpenJUMP without modification, and that aren't
>> tied to a specific "brand" of JUMP. I have heard a lot of discussion
>> and confusion on the mailing list about raster support. One of my main
>> development goals will be an "official" version of a raster plug-in
>> for OpenJUMP. I also plan on creating a simple solution to the memory
>> limit for large data files.
>>
>> Please remember that I am always open to changing my policies and
>> plans when it comes to OpenJUMP and the JUMP Pilot Project. If you
>> have concerns about my changes and want to become involved in the
>> decision process you just have to let me know. In the meantime, I'm
>> going to get to work.
>>
>> The Sunburned Surveyor
>>
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