In terms of 'upgrading later', Juju is built for not going into the machines after they are launched. Bare that in mind.
-- José Antonio Rey On Oct 2, 2014 8:19 AM, "David Cheney" <david.che...@canonical.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Matt Rae <matt....@canonical.com> wrote: > >> I don't think the upgrade matters as much as speed. I feel like most >> users know to manage updates already, with their own policies, and that the >> fast user experience is important. >> >> Even if juju upgrades initially, users will still need to manage updates >> after, so I'm not sure how much the initial upgrade gains. >> >> "Juju is blazing fast!" is more exciting than "Juju makes sure I'm >> updated initially!" >> >> There is something to be said for having the exact same packages on every >> unit of a service rather than a few units having some versions, then units >> added later getting different versions. >> > > That happens anyway. Units added later may be built from later releases of > the cloud image. > > >> >> >> Matt >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Cozannet < >> samuel.cozan...@canonical.com> wrote: >> >>> Why not put our perception to the test? >>> >>> Here >>> <https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1T-8rf_XxXbvCCRRHT69KtRM5k4oJiHyTEuzbENBU0Js/edit#gid=0> >>> is a spreadsheet where you can compile your variables. The top line >>> summarizes the sum of values. The column that gets green is the one we >>> should go for [assuming we are representative] >>> >>> Sam >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Meinel <j...@arbash-meinel.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So there is the question of what is the "user experience", and people >>>> trying out Juju and it seems slow. Though if it is slow, doesn't that mean >>>> that images are out of date? >>>> >>>> I just bootstrapped a fresh Ubuntu from Amazon's web interface today, >>>> and I noticed that apt-get upgrade on there installed a new bash to fix the >>>> newest major security hole. It seems like it is good to at least apply >>>> security updates, and I'm not sure if it is easy to only install those. >>>> >>>> John >>>> =:-> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:51 AM, José Antonio Rey <j...@ubuntu.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I believe that, as Jorge mentioned, most users do value having >>>>> everything up to date by default, specially when they may go directly to >>>>> production environments. Devs may also want to use this switch, as it will >>>>> save time during the deployment for testing the charms they have >>>>> developed. >>>>> >>>>> I believe that turning on upgrades as a default would be more valued >>>>> by end-users, but that's just a personal opinion. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> José Antonio Rey >>>>> On Oct 1, 2014 2:34 PM, "Jorge O. Castro" <jo...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Kapil Thangavelu >>>>>> <kapil.thangav...@canonical.com> wrote: >>>>>> > juju can save minutes per machine (especially against release >>>>>> images) if we >>>>>> > turn off upgrades by default. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are some updates coming to how we build cloud images that might >>>>>> be relevant to this discussion: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://blog.utlemming.org/2014/08/archive-triggered-cloud-image-builds.html >>>>>> >>>>>> IMO safer and slower makes sense for most people, those of us who need >>>>>> speed for demos/conferences will know about this switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jorge Castro >>>>>> Canonical Ltd. >>>>>> http://juju.ubuntu.com/ - Automate your Cloud Infrastructure >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Juju mailing list >>>>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Juju mailing list >>>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Juju mailing list >>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Samuel Cozannet >>> Cloud, Big Data and IoT Strategy Team >>> Strategic Program Manager >>> Changing the Future of Cloud >>> Ubuntu <http://ubuntu.com> / Canonical <http://canonical.com> UK LTD >>> samuel.cozan...@canonical.com >>> +33 616 702 389 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Juju mailing list >>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Juju mailing list >> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >> >> > > -- > Juju mailing list > Juju@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju > >
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