On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Matt Rae <matt....@canonical.com> wrote:
> I don't think the upgrade matters as much as speed. I feel like most users > know to manage updates already, with their own policies, and that the fast > user experience is important. > > Even if juju upgrades initially, users will still need to manage updates > after, so I'm not sure how much the initial upgrade gains. > > "Juju is blazing fast!" is more exciting than "Juju makes sure I'm updated > initially!" > > There is something to be said for having the exact same packages on every > unit of a service rather than a few units having some versions, then units > added later getting different versions. > That happens anyway. Units added later may be built from later releases of the cloud image. > > > Matt > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Cozannet < > samuel.cozan...@canonical.com> wrote: > >> Why not put our perception to the test? >> >> Here >> <https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1T-8rf_XxXbvCCRRHT69KtRM5k4oJiHyTEuzbENBU0Js/edit#gid=0> >> is a spreadsheet where you can compile your variables. The top line >> summarizes the sum of values. The column that gets green is the one we >> should go for [assuming we are representative] >> >> Sam >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Meinel <j...@arbash-meinel.com> >> wrote: >> >>> So there is the question of what is the "user experience", and people >>> trying out Juju and it seems slow. Though if it is slow, doesn't that mean >>> that images are out of date? >>> >>> I just bootstrapped a fresh Ubuntu from Amazon's web interface today, >>> and I noticed that apt-get upgrade on there installed a new bash to fix the >>> newest major security hole. It seems like it is good to at least apply >>> security updates, and I'm not sure if it is easy to only install those. >>> >>> John >>> =:-> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:51 AM, José Antonio Rey <j...@ubuntu.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I believe that, as Jorge mentioned, most users do value having >>>> everything up to date by default, specially when they may go directly to >>>> production environments. Devs may also want to use this switch, as it will >>>> save time during the deployment for testing the charms they have developed. >>>> >>>> I believe that turning on upgrades as a default would be more valued by >>>> end-users, but that's just a personal opinion. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> José Antonio Rey >>>> On Oct 1, 2014 2:34 PM, "Jorge O. Castro" <jo...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Kapil Thangavelu >>>>> <kapil.thangav...@canonical.com> wrote: >>>>> > juju can save minutes per machine (especially against release >>>>> images) if we >>>>> > turn off upgrades by default. >>>>> >>>>> There are some updates coming to how we build cloud images that might >>>>> be relevant to this discussion: >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.utlemming.org/2014/08/archive-triggered-cloud-image-builds.html >>>>> >>>>> IMO safer and slower makes sense for most people, those of us who need >>>>> speed for demos/conferences will know about this switch. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jorge Castro >>>>> Canonical Ltd. >>>>> http://juju.ubuntu.com/ - Automate your Cloud Infrastructure >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Juju mailing list >>>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Juju mailing list >>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Juju mailing list >>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Samuel Cozannet >> Cloud, Big Data and IoT Strategy Team >> Strategic Program Manager >> Changing the Future of Cloud >> Ubuntu <http://ubuntu.com> / Canonical <http://canonical.com> UK LTD >> samuel.cozan...@canonical.com >> +33 616 702 389 >> >> >> -- >> Juju mailing list >> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >> >> > > -- > Juju mailing list > Juju@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju > >
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