At 8:06 PM +0000 1/7/10, Brian Swander wrote:
I'm going by what my real customers are asking for.

Our real customers are asking for exactly what I'm describing below. I didn't ask them why their stance to intermediaries has changed, if it even has. That is academic. The key question here is what do real customers want to deploy, and how can we enable them to do it.

bs

Brian,

I don't know how IPSECME will choose to proceed, but in the WG I chair folks expect WG participants to provide technically defensible rationales for designs that they advocate. Relaying what customers purportedly have requested doesn't cut it.

Also, the IETF does not assume that "the customer is always right" when making protocol design decisions. If we did, and if we made such decisions in 1990, we'd be using ATM, CLNP, X.400, and other protocols that many big clients said were what they wanted in that time frame :-).

Steve
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