I trust that this is a question on the sample set of requirements for the 
scenario I sent to Paul.

I use infrastructure and intermediaries terms interchangeably.

The scenario I had in mind is:

No heuristic support from any network infrastructure.

Only limited number of legacy clients that require encryption, hence they are 
capable of upgrading.
Vast majority of legacy are ok with ESP-NULL.

Potentially many uplevel clients that require encryption.   As on the previous 
thread, we want to enable as many capabilities in the cross product matrix as 
possible.  Hence it is extremely desirable for uplevel to do encryption or 
integrity without forcing extra infrastructure config.   I.e. I'd assume that 
managing ip addresses on all uplevel machines that want to do encryption is 
prohibitive.

bs



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Kent [mailto:k...@bbn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:01 PM
To: Brian Swander
Cc: ipsec@ietf.org; Russ Housley; gabriel montenegro; Stephen Kent
Subject: RE: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call

At 7:55 PM +0000 1/6/10, Brian Swander wrote:
>I trust my clarification (to Yaron) addressed these questions.  Let 
>me know if there are any outstanding.
>

I understood the first two lines about lots of legacy systems, only a 
few of which need to perform encryption." The next two lines were too 
terse for me:

"Routing infrastructure that doesn't do heuristics
Requires intermediaries that can do full ESP-NULL parsing"

if the intermediaries are part of the routing infrastructure, why use 
different terms in these two lines?

Also within an enterprise context, one might well be able to 
configure the intermediaries with the addresses of the few machines 
that perform encryption, and which therefore are allowed to 
communicate with one another w/o benefit of packet inspection.

So I would not say that your response addresses my questions in the 
lager context.

Steve


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