On Jan 9, 2016 2:03 AM, "Stanislav Malyshev" <smalys...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi! > > > For those still in doubts, ask users why they don't post to the list. > > Why they don't contribute. Our reputation of agressivity (and I take the > > blame on that too) did not do us any good and still do not. > > I think we have here very basic difference in definition. Being > aggressive and uncompromising in discussion can definitely be > discouraging and offputting, and having hot and lengthy discussions > definitely can turn off people from contributing. But if that is what > you classify as harassment and want to root out by means of CoC,
It is not. I mentioned it here too when someone asked if I consider some replies here as harassment. I am referring to multiple comments here of actual harassment or bad behavior (I described what it is) and agressivity. > then I > think it is one of the ideas may sound very nice but are a recipe for a > disaster. And that is exactly why I am reluctant to rely on "trust us, And it is not what i am referring to. Neither what other were referring to. But you keep saying that it did not or does not exist. This is not good. > we are all good people here, we'll just do the common sense thing". > Because if your common sense includes somehow redefining passionate > disagreement as harassment, then my opinion is it would be ruinous to > what we're doing - and yes, despite all our failings and shortcomings, > it can be made *much* worse, and IMO with such approach it will be. > > And if it does not, I don't see how CoC would change anything here. > > So, I think I would like a clarification here: do you think what was > going on the list so far (excluding clear cases where people were > admonished or banned by existing means, but including all vigorous > discussion) included numerous CoC violations if CoC of your liking were > in force? How many people you think should have been banned from the > community following those CoC violations, so that people that don't post > to the list start to? Again vigorous discussions are not what I or other have talked about.
