I may have misunderstood, will this be fixed before GA or not ? Cheers Joe
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Joe Watkins <pthre...@pthreads.org> wrote: > Morning Anatol, > > > People that don't test RC won't start to test any later RC anyway. > > This wasn't reported by "people", this was found by one of us. > > The problem isn't only that we have a bug in symbol tables, the problem is > that the bug was found so very late in the process. > > We cannot reasonably have confidence that no other such bugs exist. > > I think it doesn't make sense to push forward with the current release > time table now. I think it makes sense to do another RC and give *us* a > little bit longer to test. > > Please reconsider. > > Cheers > Joe > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Anatol Belski <anatol....@belski.net> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:ras...@lerdorf.com] >> > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 11:20 PM >> > To: Anthony Ferrara <ircmax...@gmail.com>; Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> >> > Cc: internals@lists.php.net >> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] INDRECT in arrays causes count() to become >> > unpredictable >> > >> > On 11/22/2015 06:18 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: >> > > Zeev, >> > > >> > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> On 22 בנוב׳ 2015, at 0:47, Anthony Ferrara <ircmax...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> I think this is significant enough to be a blocker to gold and that >> > >>> we should fix it prior to release. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thoughts? >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> IMHO, unless we think fixing this would require breaking binary >> compatibility >> > (which I don't think is the case) - this shouldn't block 7.0.0. 7.0.0 >> is a lot more >> > about getting people to start paying attention to 7.0 and start testing >> their >> > codebase against it - finding both the incompatibilities in their code >> and, >> > undoubtedly - the bugs we failed to find. I wish we could say this >> would be the >> > last issue we find in 7.0, but I think we can all agree it's wishful >> thinking... >> > > >> > > Consider that Distros may very well pick whatever we call stable for >> > > LTS releases. Meaning that non-critical (crash/security) bugs that we >> > > miss may wind up living on for a VERY long time. If we don't intend .0 >> > > to be stable, then what's the point of versioning in the first place? >> > > >> > > Xinchen, >> > > >> > > Very interesting on the fix. I do think it's important for this to >> > > land with 7, but at least we can have the discussion. >> > >> > I agree with Zeev here and I had a chat with Anatol about this tonight. >> > This is a .0.0 release. Nobody is going to take a .0.0 and push it >> straight to >> > production. And it is not going to part of any sort of LTS distro >> either. It's not like >> > LTS distros don't pick up point releases. >> > There is no way we will go 2 weeks without finding something for quite >> a while >> > still which can drag things out indefinitely. The question is whether >> this is >> > significant enough to postpone further. Personally I don't think it is. >> Let's get >> > 7.0.0 out the door and get ourselves on track for regular point >> releases without >> > any of this "perfect-release" >> > stress. >> > >> From what I was merging for 7.0.0, I see that there are quite some >> primitive bug fixes, a couple of non critical 7.0 bugs and 2 bugs merged up >> from 5.6. The issue with the symtable counter stands at some point around >> the critical border. I personally would see it as not crossing that border. >> >> So based on this, I'd rather go by releasing. The bug list after RC7 >> looks pretty much like a regular patch release, or even better. Comparing >> to RC6 where it was started to be tested obviously some more intensively, >> RC7 looks more like lost attention. We could go with more RC, sure. However >> in that case IMO we would catch bugs at very low speed with no guarantee we >> have a good thing at the end when we "think" it's good. This will cause us >> to defer things for much longer time. Releasing on 26th (or on 3rd with >> respect to Thanksgiving, if there are still strong concerns) were IMHO >> convenient for this reasons. >> >> People that don't test RC won't start to test any later RC anyway. People >> that don't test RC will start to use GA and that will lead to bug reports, >> in any case. So IMHO at this point we are good enough to do the first >> release with all the known bugs fixed, with the knowledge that no critical >> bugs are present, with the knowledge that community projects like Drupal 8, >> Symfony, etc. report the green tests, and with intention to get people >> waiting for GA involved. >> >> Regards >> >> Anatol >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> >
