Hi,
Am 15.06.20 um 21:14 schrieb Stanislav Malyshev:
Hi!
I was surprised by the many negative responses: Partly just discussing
the term "blacklist" that is perhaps not the main issue. Or telling
people how they should feel and understand words.
Nobody tells you how to feel. But when you claim your supposed feelings
are the reason to censor other's speech then others have the right to
object. I am not sure why this surprises you.
I think the same applies to this topic
OK, so far for the 25 years of PHP existence I have never heard of a
person who was personally hurt by the use of term "blacklist". I've
heard lots of things said about PHP, good or bad, but today is the first
time I hear about this. So I am not sure we understand the term
"listening" in the same way.
It might be that discussions in the US are much more heated and
fundamental than in Germany. And of course there is a political/social
context to those discussions that I do not know - and that probably is
not relevant for this list. And it might be that I misunderstood some
nuances in some mails of this topic as I'm not an English native speaker.
But I'm not sure if I made my points clear:
* Personally, I have no issue with the term blacklist. (And it sounds
really strange to me if someone wants to forbid the term black
unconditionally. So: I do *not* propose to blindly follow the newest
trend of political correctness without any reason.)
* I want to listen to others *who are affected*. (I assume most
responses where written by white guys.)
* From my point of view it's not about censorship but about
understanding - and about learning. Then I can make an informed decision
how I want to behave in the future, how I want to balance my side with
the side of someone else. (Just talking about censorship feels like
trying to stop discussion. - I assume you did not intend that.)
* I didn't ask for opinions from people who are not offended. (Please, I
do not want to censor you. But we heard a lot from that side.) I asked
for concrete examples where people where offended in the context of the
PHP project to get an understanding of the issue. If there is no
response perhaps we can assume there is no issue? (At least for people
on the list? Perhaps for people working in the IT context?)
Regards
Thomas
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