I don't think the question is bundling SQLite, as many of us really don't seem to mind that. Even I who am notorious for not liking bundling software won't argue with this one. I see it as a Good Thing for PHP as a whole. I'm not sure that it should be enabled by default though, which is an entirely different concept.
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Sterling Hughes wrote: > Yes, Rasmus hit the nail on the button! > > > So yes, while I agree with the general sentiment of moving more stuff to > > PECL, for fundamental things like PCRE, Session and now SQL-access to flat > > files, that make up the core of what makes PHP what it is, I think this > > should be bundled. > > > The two major problems I see with PHP code these days: > > a) They use flatfiles where SQL, or some form of ordered storage, would > be beneficial. > > b) They use RDBM's where flatfiles, or dbm files would be more expedient > (a weblog system, for example). > > SQLite fills the niche so perfectly, and in very few lines of code. > Don't think of SQLite as a database server - that would be terrible to > bundle with PHP. > > Think of SQLite as a next generation interface to flat files, fopen(), > fread() and friends should only be used when interacting with other data > sources, because SQLite makes everything so simple (and more > efficient.) No more custom formats, no more worrying about file > locking, paging, no more worrying about the most efficient way to get > data out of a file, and save data into a file. SQLite handles all of > this for you, providing a simple SQL interface for accessing that data. > > In order for SQLite to become a replacement for fopen(), it needs to be > bundled. Available everywhere, and available for everyone. It really > costs us nothing. > > -Sterling > > > On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 10:57, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > One of the main reasons PHP has reached the popularity it has today is > > because it was mindnumbingly easy to get started with it and you could do > > so many things with a default PHP installation. You can't twirl a wet cat > > without hitting servers with Gallery, PHP-Nuke, PHPBB or one of the other > > dozen or so pervasive PHP applications and these applications would not > > have become so popular had PHP not had enough default functionality to > > allow someone to write these apps to work on a default PHP install. They > > also tend to be smart enough to detect advanced features and then make use > > of those to make the app function somewhat better. > > > > Having what is essentially an SQL-driver for flat files as a standard PHP > > feature is going to raise the bar for many of these applications that, > > like it or not, drive PHP usage. Gallery is a perfect example of this. > > Have you had a look at the code? Check out all the nasty flat file > > manipulation code in that thing. It's painful to read through all that. > > The primary reason the Gallery author did this was because he wanted to > > make sure Gallery would run everywhere on every shared server. And as a > > result the code is both messy and the app is nowhere near as good as it > > could be. > > > > So yes, while I agree with the general sentiment of moving more stuff to > > PECL, for fundamental things like PCRE, Session and now SQL-access to flat > > files, that make up the core of what makes PHP what it is, I think this > > should be bundled. PHP has never been just a scripting engine with some > > cool add-ons. PHP has always been the solution to the Web problem with > > even more bonus add-ons. And as I have said so many times, PHP is not > > about purity in CS principles or architecture, it is about solving the > > ugly web problem with an admittedly ugly, but extremely functional and > > convenient solution. If you are looking for purity you are in the wrong > > boat. Get out now before you get hit by a wet cat! > > > > -Rasmus > >---------------------------------------------------------------< Dan Kalowsky "I'll walk a thousand miles just http://www.deadmime.org/~dank to slip this skin." [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Streets of Philadelphia", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Springsteen -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
