And note if you get rid of data link MTUs, your head-of-line-blocking issue 
gets worse. Also note 1280 is not 53, and hence we have an international large 
scale network running, unlike ATM.

Dino

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:48 PM, to...@strayalpha.com wrote:
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> On 08-Dec-21 05:30, to...@strayalpha.com wrote:
>> ...
>>>> But you make another point which is pretty fundamental and foundational. 
>>>> Should data links be MTU-less, so to speak? And can they really do that. I 
>>>> won't hold my breath.
>>> I don’t know yet, but I do know that’s what I *want* and why it’s different 
>>> than simply assuming a smaller MTU anywhere in the system.
>> 
>> I think you'll need to discuss this point with the inventors of packet 
>> switching and queueing theory. Since the Internet is still basically a great 
>> big statistical multiplexer, getting rid of MTU at every layer seems like an 
>> impossibility.
> 
> Perhaps, or maybe MTUs are an artifact of limited memory and BW.
> 
> I’m not suggesting infinite packets - though that’s another interesting 
> exercise in protocol design (what if packets were infinite, what if protocols 
> used only one packet, etc.). I’m suggesting an environment in which 
> applications always assume some “MTU” and the headers are just “eaten” as 
> overhead throughout the rest of the system, sort of the way that Ethernet has 
> a 1500 fixed payload but no strict packet length limit (arguably, you can add 
> Q-tags or MAC-in-MAC all day long).
> 
> Joe

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