> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 7:36 AM, Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That may help, but only in limited cases.
>> 
>> E.g., let’s say you run IPsec tunnel mode for IPv6, which eats the majority 
>> of that space. Now that traffic runs over a second IPsec tunnel that you 
>> don’t know about.
>> 
>> That’s the problem - and why MTU (i.e., having a max in the first place) is 
>> itself the problem.
> 
> Yep, definitely true. But one should use IPsec tunnel mode sparingly.

Users don’t get to decide that.

> It just costs too much. And having 2 levels would be regarded as execessive.

They also just use tunnels that have similar impact. Multiple levels are common 
- because no single operator manages the entire E2E path.

> Having said that, products may do this because security trumps all.
> 
> But you make another point which is pretty fundamental and foundational. 
> Should data links be MTU-less, so to speak? And can they really do that. I 
> won't hold my breath.

I don’t know yet, but I do know that’s what I *want* and why it’s different 
than simply assuming a smaller MTU anywhere in the system.

Joe
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