On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:12 AM, James Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moinak Ghosh wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Giacomo Tufano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Il giorno 04/lug/08, alle ore 20:22, Moinak Ghosh ha scritto: >>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is the target market the developer? The programer in a university >>>>> somewhere? That can NOT be the case because OpenSolaris ships with no >>>>> compiler and no system headers even if the compiler was included. If >>>>> the target market is supposed to be the programmer then someone forget >>>>> to give them GCC 4.x at the very *minimum*. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> The repository contains GCC, headers and other sundry development >>>> related >>>> packages. So I do not quite get what is the problem with pulling >>>> down all those >>>> other than bandwidth of course in certain regions. >>>> In addition the bandwidth issue is diminishing day by day. >>>> >>> >>> True. But just today, when looking for KDE for solaris I found on >>> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/KDE_on_Solaris this text >>> about the prerequisites for compiling KDE 4.x on Solaris. >>> >>> "You can use either Solaris 10 update 5 (S10U5) or Solaris Express >>> (Nevada >>> build 70b or 83 -- these two versions run on our build machine and on at >>> least one developer's desktop). Other versions of the operating system >>> might >>> work, but there are no guarantees and probably not much sympathy either; >>> OpenSolaris 2008.5 is downright broken as a development platform". >>> >>> I found some other (similar, while not so "hard") comments somewhere else >>> on >>> the Internet (too lazy to find them)... It seems that developers don't >>> think >>> that OpenSolaris is a suitable developer platform... some countermeasure >>> should be adopted. If the target market are developers, it is probably >>> better not include openoffice in the CD and include compilers, headers >>> and >>> some dev tool... >>> >> >> Maybe a web poll on this can help. I do not think OpenOffice is >> included in the >> ISO image. It is one big monolithic package hundreds of MB in size. >> A lot of the >> space is taken up by all the localization packages and obviously >> the 32/64 bit >> multi-architecture support in the base system, X11 and Gnome. >> A CD ISO can only hold so much. It cannot satisfy everyone's >> requirements. >> >> Regards, >> Moinak. >> >> >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> gt >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> indiana-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss >> > > Apples to oranges here. Ubuntu is the only mainstream system that fits all > "users" need on a single CD. For development you must use apt to get > anything. > > FreeBSD is another that fits on a single CD. It manages to have X11 and > full sources plus the system itself on the CD. > > The primary consumer is GNOME i18n and X.org. > > There is no system this age that fits any development tools on a CD, it's > all internet or DVD based. I'm sure you'll try and prove me wrong, finding > a niche developer-oriented system using a basic window manager but that's > not the point. OO.o is indeed installed only through ips or Solaris > package, it's not bundled. Sun must include localization support for a wide > variety of languages in addition to support for multiple architectures. > Given the fact most developers even in countries where bandwidth is metered > can stand to have some patience and a little understanding, where users are > in no mood to fiddle, waste time, etc. Developers are generally more easy > going about situations requiring slightly more work, because they are used > to problems of engineering in their daily work as it is, and this is > generally a non-issue. >
Exactly. You have echoed my views in a much more succint manner. Regards, Moinak. _______________________________________________ indiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
