Hi Ron,
Thank you, You've confirmed my suspicion.

Another thing I've noticed ... governments (all levels) tend to be more 
old-school than private companies and won't hire a person if they are 
unable to work at their office, even though support staff have remote 
access via a VPN.

Regards,
David

On 2019-08-21 17:25, McCabe, Ron wrote:
> Hello David,
>
> What is gained by having people at the office would have to be answered by my 
> boss who is the director of Infrastructure...I can tell you he is old school 
> even though he is younger than me and has made the comment to us that he 
> likes "Butts in seats".  I/we think he is a control freak.
>
> Thanks,
> Ron McCabe
> Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems
> Mutual of Enumclaw
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> David Spiegel
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Attitude of companies toward mainframers working from home?
>
> Hi Ron,
> For SysProgs in particular, what is gained by having people "at the office"?
> I view this as old school, without justification.
> If project milestones are set properly, the employees will have to work 
> consistently to meet them (and not goof off).
> If the managers think that they can see who's working, they are mistaken.
>
> I can see where development staff might have to work at the office if the 
> environment is highly collaborative.
> (I worked on an online banking project (3 years ago) where this was necessary.
>
> Charles: I work at 3 jobs (not all busy at once), all remote.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
> On 2019-08-21 17:02, McCabe, Ron wrote:
>> If this is something that should not have been done on the list I apologize 
>> but do have to admit that I would like to see what other companies are 
>> allowing in this area.
>>
>> Yes our employer does allow for mainframe sysprogs and developers to work 
>> from home.
>> There are restrictions and the main one is who your manager is.  Our 
>> developers have a nice manager and allows them to work from home 2 days a 
>> week, our sysprogs have a different manager and he only allows 1 day per 
>> week.
>> No policies have been changed.
>> About 90% of my colleagues work from home.  Our developers are also allowed 
>> to work 9 80's and 4 10's, sysprogs and admins do not get to as they have to 
>> work 5 days a week.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ron McCabe
>> Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems
>> Mutual of Enumclaw
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On
>> Behalf Of Charles Mills
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:46 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Attitude of companies toward mainframers working from home?
>>
>> I am doing a favor for a friend who is writing a blog article on the
>> above subject, with an emphasis on the effect of the shrinking
>> mainframe personnel pool. (This is NOT some disguised headhunter
>> pitch. Reply to the list or to me personally. I will take full
>> responsibility for "sanitizing" your e-mail address and so forth out
>> of what I forward to my friend.)
>>
>> Does your employer allow mainframe sysprogs and developers to work from home?
>> Any particular restrictions or qualifications?
>> Have they changed their policies specifically to address the shrinking 
>> mainframe personnel pool?
>> Roughly what percentage of your colleagues work from home?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Charles
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