On 15/09/2018 4:29 AM, scott Ford wrote:
Jerry,
I agree, but zConnect EE was pricy like MQ..it’s hard to sell a product
that will cost a customer more to install.
Why do you need to use z/OS Connect? If all you need is a Java
Application Server, which is essentially what z/OS Connect is, then
you can ship your product with Tomcat, Jetty, Spring Boot or whatever
for free. You have the added benefit that it's open source so
you can fix bugs and/or improve it as opposed to the closed ecosystem of
WLP. If the customer already has WAS/WLP installed and would
prefer to use them you can simply ship your WAR files and simply drop
them into WLP.
It's the same as MQ. Websphere MQ is a fantastic product but there are
numerous free, open source products which will do a great job
for a vendor looking to save money.
Regards,
Scott
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:16 PM Jerry Whitteridge <[email protected]>
wrote:
z/OSMF and z/OS Connect target different areas. I'd look at z/OSMF for
infrastructure tasks and z/OS Connect (its new name) for actual
applications.
They both have the ability for API translation and exposure.
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IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> wrote on
09/14/2018 12:47:09 PM:
From: scott Ford <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: 09/14/2018 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Z and cloud
Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]>
Phil,All:
Exact question this am during a daily meeting. We looked zConnect but
looked like was expensive to develope a product around, we are looking
At Zosmf...kinda interesting, living proof you teach an old dawg new
tricks.
Scott
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 5:54 AM R.S. <[email protected]>
wrote:
W dniu 2018-09-14 o 03:38, Phil Smith III pisze:
Well, I appreciate the answers thus far, but they're vague and
platitudinous.
Sure, an application on Z should often stay on Z, but that's not what
anybody means by "cloud". In fact, given that the vast majority of
application environments are not on Z, saying "stay on <the platform>"
is,
if anything, an argument that Z is *not* a good cloud platform.
Resource sharing/virtualization are good, but ISTR one or two
companies
that are managing to do a bit of that on Intel (I think they're called
Amazon and Google and what's that other startup-oh yeah, Microsoft);
not
compelling, sorry. Yes, z/VM is the best virtualization platform in a
lot
of ways. But again, that ain't where the action is, and calling a tail
a
leg doesn't make it one.
As for cost of instructions-TR/TRT and friends are also way cool.
Surprise, that isn't where applications spend most of their time.
Looking forward to more convincing arguments.
Convicing? Whom to convince? Seriously, are we talking about rational
arguments or just convincing arguments?
I see no hope for mainframe when talking about "convincing" arguments.
Sorry, every "airline magazine" article or opinion claims it's old,
obsolete, and so on. Nevermind what is true.
Regarding cloud - this is similar story, much less rational arguments a
lot of "convincing" ones. There is no single definition of cloud, but I
woudl say that EDS in the beginnings was kind of cloud - you compute on
someone else's computer. IT as a service.
Of course some people narrow the vision of cloud to Windows and M$
subsystems (MSSQL, etc.), maybe also Linux with popular open-source
things lika Apache, mySQL, etc. So, there is no place for other
platforms. Why? Because nobody mentioned it. However some companies do
use mainframe applications and they can hear from cloud provider
"sorry,
we don't have such thing".
Regarding Amazon and Google - yes, they don't use mainframes. However
their business (especially Google) is different than yours. Not
everyone
need oer 1 million PC machines spread across the world. Cheap machines
with no redundant features. That's why things like disk arrays, remote
copy services or DR data rooms are still in sale.
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