On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:20:23 -0400, Peter Relson wrote:

>The supersede that you see in a PTF for the "A" has a 
>largely historical basis.

Perhaps, but it is also necessary in the case of a PTF that resolves an 
Error Hold. The ++HOLD specifies REASON(Axxxxxx) and if the PTF 
with the error is a PRE of the resolving PTF, the resolving PTF must SUP 
that reason in order to resolve the error. It could PRE that reason, but 
only if the APAR fix with a SYSMOD ID matching that reason is provided, 
and is applicable to the FMID that the PTF is for.

>I don't think that the point about "must SUPersede" is true or follows. We 
>very frequently PRE APAR fixes (including PTFs that went PE).

Are you confusing an APAR fix ( a ++APAR) with a PTF that fixes an APAR? 
I don't remember ever seeing a PTF with a PRE on an APAR fix, that is a 
++APAR. That would mean that the APAR fix would have to be distributed 
to everyone, not just to the customers who need the APAR fix to resolve 
the problem before a PTF is available.

><snip>
>If, OTOH, it is discovered that the "C" APAR fix did not resolve the issue 
>for z/OS 1.13, and if a PTF had not yet been created, and if a new APAR 
>fix "D" was created for z/OS 1.13, it would SUP "A" and "C". The PTF for 
>z/OS 1.13 would SUP "A", "C", and "D".
><e-snip>
>Long ago it perhaps used to be that a "fix" had to supersede the prior 
>attempt. That is no longer true. The fix might supersede the previous but 
>it might just PRE-req the previous.

Agreed. If an APAR fix needed a second APAR fix to correct the problem, 
the second can PRE or SUP the first.

-- 
Tom Marchant

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