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When it comes to offshoring the managers Just think a way to please the customer is by laying off the senior resource and want to compromise with the freshers. Hopefully Mainframe Companies should perform a strict due diligence before choosing the offshore partners. The interview should not only happen to Technicians but to the managers level as well to know how enthusiastic are they to grow the legacy knowledge under them. On Feb 28, 2016 12:11 PM, "baby eklavya" <[email protected]> wrote: > *"The saddest part was the manager was not even literate on zOS systems. > All he knew was to save cost. So slowly most of the wannabe system > programmer left. Now he wants a 2 year experienced guys to run equal to his > peer."* > This is exactly what i was trying to convey . At the end , they never save > anything . Whatever money they think they had saved by replacing > experienced staffs with freshers goes out again in the form of penalty , > missed SLA , change failures . > > Skill shortage is just one side of the story . When the work environment is > controlled by such managers who only focus on saving cost , life becomes > too difficult for beginners who want to learn and enhance their skills . > They eventually lose their interest in the technology . > > I remember a recent quote from Forbes.com - "People don't leave the > companies , they leave their managers" > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jake Anderson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Looking at this discussion I really wanted to share something over here > > which was shared by one of my colleague. > > > > One of an American ISV company off shored their work to India. > > > > The technicians in India wanted to get trained in many areas like zVM but > > the Indian manager was too hesitant and said there should be lot of > tickets > > or incidents so that he can get a training. The saddest part was the > > manager was not even literate on zOS systems. All he knew was to save > cost. > > So slowly most of the wannabe system programmer left. Now he wants a 2 > year > > experienced guys to run equal to his peer. > > > > So this is one of a case where they are not interested to address the > skill > > shortages. > > > > Jake > > On Feb 27, 2016 5:26 PM, "baby eklavya" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As i stated earlier , i didn't intend to offend you . I don't have > > anything > > > personal against anyone in this list . > > > > > > > > > *"If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that > > came > > > to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to everything > > > you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points"* > > > > > > If that's the case , I am happy for that and i apologize if any of my > > > comments did offend you . > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > To the person hiding behind a misnomer, > > > > > > > > " And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who > would > > > > agree to what I am saying ." > > > > If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that > > came > > > > to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to > everything > > > > you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points. > > > > Am I arrogant? Of course I am, everyone is in ways they want to be, > > but I > > > > don't believe I was with regards to this mail chain. > > > > Am I an amateur? Of course, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > – Vignesh > > > > Mainframe Infrastructure > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected] > ] > > On > > > > Behalf Of baby eklavya > > > > Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 11:32 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! > > > > > > > > Vignesh , > > > > > > > > Please stop this arrogance...This is not a place to cry for the lack > of > > > > education / exposure you didn't get on the Mainframe . I am from > India > > > and > > > > i respect the technicians in IBM MAIN a lot . When i started my > career > > on > > > > mainframe , nobody was there to train me on the subject which i badly > > > > wanted and i was so scared to take up tasks on zos fearing i would > mess > > > up > > > > something . Then i had to survive and started learning myself using > the > > > red > > > > books and a lot of other documents available online .But then i found > > IBM > > > > MAIN . This is the community which inspired me to stay on this > > technology > > > > and Now i have completed 12 + years on zos and i owe most of my > > knowledge > > > > to the legends here . > > > > > > > > Like Ed said , this is not a one way street . If you cannot > contribute > > > > here , at least be polite to others and learn how to respect the > > > > individuals with such a vast knowledge and experience .You have no > > right > > > > to humiliate list members and if you think you can compare the skill > > > levels > > > > ,sorry to > > > > say , they are poles apart .In fact Unless you put your efforts , > > you > > > > cannot learn anything . Nobody in IBM MAIN is sharing their knowledge > > > > because they are bound to . But it is because they are real > > professionals > > > > who had been on the system for so long and they know the pain of > > learning > > > > all these concepts .It is their passion and maturity on the platform > > > which > > > > is making them respond to almost every query that is being posted > here > > . > > > > And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would > > > agree > > > > to what I am saying . > > > > > > > > When management focus on cost reduction , they are not realizing what > > > kind > > > > of pathetic service is being delivered to the clients. > > > > > > > > And those idiots believe that Mainframe can be learned in few weeks > > like > > > > windows . "Oh my boy ! what is so difficult in migrating from RACF to > > CA > > > > ACF2 on Z/os when you can install Norton Antivirus on Windows 7 . > After > > > > all , both are there to provide security ". To be honest , this is > the > > > sick > > > > mentality of management folks which has eventually ruined the quality > > of > > > > service that is being provided these days . And yes , i have seen > ITIL > > > > fulfillment teams who joins a Severity 1 incident bridge from nowhere > > and > > > > keep asking for updates every second . The fun part is that , they > > don't > > > > have a clue about Mainframe . There was an auditor in my previous > firm > > > who > > > > kept on arguing why cant we setup zos similar to windows where the > > > patches > > > > are automatically downloaded and installed . And it took 2 weeks to > > make > > > > him understand what is an RSU maintenance . > > > > > > > > Finally , i don't intend to offend anyone here . 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