As i stated earlier , i didn't intend to offend you . I don't have anything personal against anyone in this list .
*"If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that came to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to everything you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points"* If that's the case , I am happy for that and i apologize if any of my comments did offend you . On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < [email protected]> wrote: > To the person hiding behind a misnomer, > > " And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would > agree to what I am saying ." > If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that came > to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to everything > you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points. > Am I arrogant? Of course I am, everyone is in ways they want to be, but I > don't believe I was with regards to this mail chain. > Am I an amateur? Of course, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know > everything. > > – Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of baby eklavya > Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 11:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! > > Vignesh , > > Please stop this arrogance...This is not a place to cry for the lack of > education / exposure you didn't get on the Mainframe . I am from India and > i respect the technicians in IBM MAIN a lot . When i started my career on > mainframe , nobody was there to train me on the subject which i badly > wanted and i was so scared to take up tasks on zos fearing i would mess up > something . Then i had to survive and started learning myself using the red > books and a lot of other documents available online .But then i found IBM > MAIN . This is the community which inspired me to stay on this technology > and Now i have completed 12 + years on zos and i owe most of my knowledge > to the legends here . > > Like Ed said , this is not a one way street . If you cannot contribute > here , at least be polite to others and learn how to respect the > individuals with such a vast knowledge and experience .You have no right > to humiliate list members and if you think you can compare the skill levels > ,sorry to > say , they are poles apart .In fact Unless you put your efforts , you > cannot learn anything . Nobody in IBM MAIN is sharing their knowledge > because they are bound to . But it is because they are real professionals > who had been on the system for so long and they know the pain of learning > all these concepts .It is their passion and maturity on the platform which > is making them respond to almost every query that is being posted here . > And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who would agree > to what I am saying . > > When management focus on cost reduction , they are not realizing what kind > of pathetic service is being delivered to the clients. > > And those idiots believe that Mainframe can be learned in few weeks like > windows . "Oh my boy ! what is so difficult in migrating from RACF to CA > ACF2 on Z/os when you can install Norton Antivirus on Windows 7 . After > all , both are there to provide security ". To be honest , this is the sick > mentality of management folks which has eventually ruined the quality of > service that is being provided these days . And yes , i have seen ITIL > fulfillment teams who joins a Severity 1 incident bridge from nowhere and > keep asking for updates every second . The fun part is that , they don't > have a clue about Mainframe . There was an auditor in my previous firm who > kept on arguing why cant we setup zos similar to windows where the patches > are automatically downloaded and installed . And it took 2 weeks to make > him understand what is an RSU maintenance . > > Finally , i don't intend to offend anyone here . I thought of writing this > here because I'am a fan of IBM MAIN and i cannot digest such arrogance from > amateurs on a list like this which has seen the best mainframe technicians > of the world . > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > ________________________________ > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. 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