I wish: as a vendor, we don't have a real customer number, so cannot do that, alas.
But at least I've exhausted the "You idiot, it's obvious" solutions; that makes me feel better. And nobody else is saying "Yeah, this is a known change" either. I can live with it; the original concern was that it was breaking our automated testing, which has had some problems with the system transition, but I no longer think that's the case. (Specifically, we have automation in Jenkins on Windows that fetches job output from SPOOL via FTP and parses it, and was failing to find what it expected. When I saw the files going to different queues, I guessed that might mean that it wasn't seeing the data from one of the queues. I have since verified that even though there are multiple files in multiple queues, a GET of a job gets all the data from all the files. Which makes my head hurt, but that's because my SPOOL internals knowledge is from z/VM, where that behavior would make absolutely no sense!) ...phsiii (who appreciates all the thought others have put into this, and is also glad when his stupid questions turn out to be harder to answer than he'd expected) -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Babcock Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2025 12:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: JES weirdness Sounds to me like it's time to open a problem with IBM. On 9/16/2025 11:46 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: > With all SYSOUT=A: no change. > With all SYSOUT=H, the COMPILE/LKED file goes to H instead of O but RUN still > goes to O, even if I uncomment the SYSPRINT DD for the RUN step and make it > SYSOUT=H. > > Yes, MSGCLASS=A > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Michael Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2025 12:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: JES weirdness > > And what happens when you specifically code SYSOUT=A on the z/OS 3.1 system > (assuming MSGCLASS=A)? > > On 9/16/2025 11:34 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: >> Same on both: >> RESPONSE=S0W1 >> $HASP842 OUTCLASS(A) >> $HASP842 OUTCLASS(A) OUTPUT=PRINT,BLNKTRNC=YES,COMPRESS=NO, >> $HASP842 OUTDISP=(WRITE,WRITE),TRKCELL=YES >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On >> Behalf Of Michael Babcock >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2025 12:29 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: JES weirdness >> >> And $D OUTCLASS(A) on both systems shows? >> >> On 9/16/2025 10:27 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: >>> Michael Babcock wrote: >>>> Are there any JES exits in place on either system? Can you show the >>>> Jobcard and JCL on both systems? >>> Don't think there are any JES exits but don't know how to check! >>> >>> JCL: >>> >>> //VSH1 JOB MSGLEVEL=(1,1),MSGCLASS=A,NOTIFY=&SYSUID >>> //COMPILE EXEC PGM=IGYCRCTL,REGION=0M, >>> // PARM='LIST,NOSEQ,MDECK' >>> //STEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=IGY640.SIGYCOMP //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* >>> //SYSIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PHS.PDS.SOURCE(VSH1) >>> //SYSMDECK DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSLIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PHS.PDS.OBJ(VSH1) >>> //SYSLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=VSH.BASE840.SAMPLIB >>> //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT4 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT5 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT6 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT7 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT8 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT9 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT10 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT11 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT12 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //SYSUT13 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //*YSUT14 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //*YSUT15 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) >>> //* >>> //LKED EXEC PGM=IEWBLINK,COND=(4,LT), >>> // PARM='LIST,AMODE=31,MAP,LET,RENT' >>> //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* >>> //SYSLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=CEE.SCEELKED >>> // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=CSF.SCSFMOD0 >>> //SIDEFILE DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SIEASID //SYSLMOD DD >>> DISP=SHR,DSN=PHS.PDS.LOAD >>> //OBJ DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PHS.PDS.OBJ OBJECT >>> //VSH DD DISP=SHR,DSN=VSH.BASE8401.VSHLOAD >>> // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=VSH.BASE840.VSHLOAD >>> //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(3,1)) >>> //SYSLIN DD DDNAME=SYSIN >>> //SYSIN DD * >>> INCLUDE OBJ(VSH1) >>> INCLUDE VSH(VSHVOLT) >>> NAME VSH1(R) >>> /* >>> //RUN EXEC PGM=VSH1,REGION=0K,COND=(5,LT) >>> //STEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN='PHS.PDS.LOAD' >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO >>> IBM-MAIN >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
