I said I always buy a "real" keyboard (and monitor, and trackball) to plug into 
a laptop.  I have thought hard about spending real money on them, too, or at 
least on the keyboard considering how much time I spend on mine.  But so far 
I've gone the other way.  About once a year I spill a Coke on my keyboard; I 
just drop it in the bathtub, pick out a backup and get back to work.  No lost 
time (or rather very little) and no tearing of hair.

(I say I "drop it in the bathtub" because I have repeatedly read that keyboards 
recover just fine when soaked and then allowed to dry out.  So far I have never 
yet gotten a keyboard back this way, though; I always end up having to throw it 
away.  Hints on a better way gratefully accepted.)

Because of this, so far I buy El Cheapo brand.  I can't get El Cheapo for $10 
any longer, but I think the last time I bought a few of them they were less 
than $30.

But, oh boy, do I miss tactile feedback!  IBM's software is famously hard to 
use, but their hardware is reliably exceptional.  Heck, I liked the old 
Selectrics, too.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* There are trivial truths and great truths.  The opposite of a trivial truth 
is plainly false.  The opposite of a great truth is also true.  -attributed by 
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-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of 
Mike Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 16:54

https://www.twindata.com/keyboards/twindatakeyboards.htm 5250 / 3270 keyboards 
w PS/2 or USB connector.

IBM 3270 APL converted to USB.
https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/1394625

On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 3:39 PM rpinion865 
<0000042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Don't remember the manufacturer, I want the actual 3270 keyboard with the USB 
> connect.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Jul 4, 2023, 3:53 PM, billogden wrote:
>
> > Interesting discussion on screen sizes, keyboards, etc. Many of us 
> > have various different opinions. My opinions have changed since the 
> > early days when some of us (the "older" ones) used 2260s instead of 
> > 3270s. I am using a 21" screen at the moment, with three "windows" 
> > open on it. I would not want a larger screen and perhaps would 
> > prefer a slightly smaller one. I prefer a size that does not require 
> > me to constantly move my head to focus on different parts of the 
> > screen. For 3270 emulation I prefer 133 character width (and most of 
> > us probably agree on that) and at least 50 lines high (and this 
> > could vary somewhat). I find 17" laptop screens OK, but not great. 
> > More important for me (because I work mostly with text) is having 
> > good character resolution. Perhaps because I as not as young as I 
> > was a few years ago, I find long periods with crudely-formed 
> > characters to be more exhausting. Given a choice, I would say this 
> > is more important than the actual screen size. I am not fond of 
> > laptop keyboards --- IMO they range from barely OK to poor. At the 
> > moment I am using an old PC AT keyboard (with the "round" adapter 
> > plug going to a converter to connect it to a USB port). It has the 
> > numeric keypad (which I do not use) and has good "movement" of the 
> > keys that provides a positive feedback for an old guy like me. (The 
> > "real" 3270 terminals had great keyboards!) I can deal with the red 
> > "mouse control" on IBM-designed laptop keyboards when needed, but I 
> > prefer a "real" mouse (with the center "dial" function, if 
> > possible). I use the same glasses for reading books and for dealing 
> > with terminals -- I am lucky that they are fairly "weak" glasses. 
> > The discussion about z/OSMF? One of these months I will need to 
> > spend some time with it. These days I mostly use a relatively slow 
> > machine for z/OS and the performance is not attractive for z/OSMF. 

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