Thanks for the website information, this was a fascinating read. Either way, I am going to see what I can do about getting the additional CP and engines. I am quite happy about having the additional memory however, as usually find myself running lots of different semi-idle tasks and OSes.
Thanks for sharing that link, Enzo Damato ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: my new z114 Here's an old web page that may be of some interest. This site (now gone) used to list MIPS and general prices. For IFL/zIIP/zAAP processors I usually estimate based on a Z01 which would be 782 MIPS. Quite a bit higher than the poor A01, if you can get it somehow. https://web.archive.org/web/20190814064640/http://www.tech-news.com/publib/pl2818.html And your A01 is listed there at $75K, but with the FICON, extra memory, and CBU, I wouldn't be surprised if it originally sold for double that. On 5/28/2022 3:04 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > Not what I meant by program for. I was referring to the ibm approved > workloads (DB2, zAAP for Java) and learning how the accelerators impact the > computing speed, and what kinds of applications take best advantage of them. > > Thanks for the heads up though, > Enzo Damato > > Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me> > On May 28, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Mike Schwab > <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from > IBM. That is what got Neon to speed up DB2. > https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/ > > On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato <edam...@octechservices.org> > wrote: > > I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on > pushing the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too upset > about this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty engines to > learn more about how they impact performance and software behavior. Either > way though, performance isn't the end of the world for me. > > Thanks for the info, > Enzo Damato > ________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of > Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was > originally configured for, an A01 in your case. And since this machine > was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't even > extend the contract. Basically, this single restriction is probably why > you were able to purchase the box for only $2K. > > But your case is different. I'm hoping someone at IBM will get > involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and > software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks > who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware. > > On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came from. > Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? Or would > the machine lock this out once the contract expired. > > Thank you, > Enzo Damato > ________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of > Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its > configuration to IBM as far as I can tell. So a lot could have happened > between then and now. Here are a couple of files you may find useful: > > https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt > https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png > > The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in > cards not ports) of each item reported. This may be what was originally > ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order > time and that 2015 list. > > The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at > least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the > config.txt listing. > > In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with > a CBU contract that expired in 2016. That would explain why it's an A01 > with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the > time). The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically > add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying > for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box. > > What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression > that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at order > time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph > boxes. Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to remember > to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows. > > On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have no > idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not use > 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either way, I > will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I also wanted > to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase wiring for > the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single phase). I am > checking the technical and physical planning guides for this information, but > I would like to independently verify this information so that I don't fry my > new machine. > > Thanks, > Enzo Damato > ________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of > Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to > match what you reported. So it could be I'm looking at something else. > Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since > many people here want to help. > > z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7 > 26 MIPS, 3 MSU > 40 GB > 18 ports FICON 8S SX > 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T > STP > CPACF > 1 HMC Tower > 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line > > On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a > relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have > blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). If > you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it. > > Thank you, > Enzo Damato > ________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of > Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > Do you know the serial number? It's typically on a small label on the > front door. With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's "call > home" network. That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, and > other items. And if that data matches your card count, that's a good > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box. > > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I have > in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power and turn > it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I currently have > in the box: > 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie) > 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie) > 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer) > 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer) > > I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA adapters > require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, and I wanted > to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to my core switch, > but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am currently working > on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I make any headway on > that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be able to get some > mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry recommended, I do plan on > doing some experimenting with the bare metal on the machine, but I don't have > much experience with embedded/bare metal programming, so I would really be > starting from the ground up with that. I would like to get in contact with > someone about getting software disks/licences for my machine. I know that you > said that it would be a special order as the software is withdrawn from > marketing, but considering the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would > also like to look into what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity > upgrade (the z114 is not completely out of support until the end of this > year). If you know anyone who I should reach out to, please let me know. > > I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 minutes > from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my calendar to see > if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have finals that week. I > will have to check). > > I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting the > system set up. > Thank you, > Enzo Damato > ________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of > Timothy Sipples <sipp...@sg.ibm.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > Enzo, > > Congratulations on your acquisition! > > I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be either > 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the capacity > model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, ICFs), and > memory configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), the number 0, > and a number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be unfortunate since that’d > mean no general purpose engines (CPs) are configured. If it’s a Z05 you won > this lottery, but really any CP capacity is fine for a home lab.] Also, have > you figured out yet what features you have installed in the I/O slots? > > As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O features > you might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) field modify > the physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer components to reduce > electricity consumption and heat output in your home lab. But if you have a > -M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a moot point. > > I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters. > > I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. There > are bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st Century > Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them about VSEn > 6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference coming up at > Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, if convenient. > > https://ecc.marist.edu/web/conference2022 > > Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage > (technically, leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, VSEn. > Possibly also MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a bit. I > think you can start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without actually > having any attached storage, but then you can’t do that much with it. > > Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, z/TPF. > (z/TPF is even a little more particular about minimum storage configurations. > I believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as well.) > > There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally consider > operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone IOCP and Jan > Jaeger’s ZZSA are two good examples. > > Good luck, and please keep us posted. > > — — — — — > Timothy Sipples > Senior Architect > Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity > IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific > sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ________________________________ > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
