Ron,
Yes, it was more or less (rather less) like attorney. However it is not
pointless - I saw and I heard about many cases where the result of
neverending replatforming process was the process "in progress", but the
mainframe in deep trouble. Why? Because of many reasons like new
development (it wasn't planned, BUT it occured necessary), new hardware
(old system do not support new DASD or CPC? why?), etc. Note: the more
outdated environment the more complicated any change will be.
IMHO your role... OK, your role is to stay safe until retirement, but
the role of mainframe head is to present pro's and con's to the
management and let them decide. Recommendation is also welcome.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
W dniu 19.07.2021 o 19:05, McCabe, Ron pisze:
Radoslaw,
You're like a prosecuting attorney digging down to get the truth out of your
witness ...
Are we moving off the mainframe? That is what I mentioned in my email. Exact
date? Not really but they did say the goal was 4th quarter 2022. Is the date
guaranteed? No, but what in life is?
Who is the guarantor? Word has come from the President/CEO of the company and
yes the CIO was pushing for it.
Do I/we have it on paper ... the President/CEO put it into one of his monthly
status notices to the company so yes, I would say it is on paper and has been
clearly communicated.
So you would lose the bet.
I doubt there will be new management in a few years ... I do not see the
current President/CEO, CIO, and/or any of the other VP's leaving the company or
being replaced by the board.
Yes our system will be unsupported but this won't be the first time plus IBM will still
help for a known problem and truthfully I'm not expecting any because we are not doing
any "new" development on the mainframe.
*I* will not be in trouble because I will be retired and if they find they need
to go back (keep) the mainframe up and running then good luck to them to find
those that will/do still work on the mainframe.
I do not classify us as a financial institution ... we are a Commercial and
Personal Property Insurance Company ... I do not know if that classifies us as
a financial institution.
I/we too have gotten the green light to do the upgrade but after trying to get
BA's and DEV's to test on it for the last 6 months I'm about ready to give up
since they are all too busy with their normal day to day work where they cannot
spend an hour or two to do some testing for us. Plus we have a couple of old
applications that no one really knows how they work so testing them is next to
impossible and if they don't work we cannot go through with the upgrade.
Thanks to those that I have heard from that are running on older z/OS versions
with no problems ... that at least makes me a little more comfortable not
keeping our system up to date.
Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems
Mutual of Enumclaw
-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Radoslaw Skorupka
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: z/OS versions
CAUTION: This email is from an external address. Please be careful of links and
attachments.
Are you moving off the mainframe?
Do you know exact date of mainframe shutdown?
Is the date guaranteed?
Who is the guarantor? Some team leader, project manager, external contractor?
Is it CIO?
Do you have it on paper? Is it clearly communicated?
I bet NO.
So I bet few years later there will be new management, who did not guaranteed
anything.
But *your* system will be unsupported with some effects of it.
*You* will be in trouble.
Note, it is sometimes against the rules to run such system by financial
institution.
The last caused I've got green light for system upgrade, despite they want to
move off the mainframe. However the willingness is approx. 10 years old, but
results are still not promising.
Oh, BTW - while it was impossible to move off the mainframe, it occured
possible to move off me. :-(
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
W dniu 16.07.2021 o 21:52, McCabe, Ron pisze:
Hello IBM List,
Got a question about how you feel about running on an unsupported z/OS version.
Just about like everyone else our company is moving off the mainframe ...
after several failed attempts I do believe they have something that will work
this time and I'm OK with it because if they reach their goal End of Life for
the mainframe will be when I was planning on retiring.
Some background - we are currently running z/OS 2.2, we started the process to
upgrade to 2.3 about 6 months ago and we are close to implementing providing
our DEV's and BA's can finish up the testing that we require which is not going
very well. Since the EOL goal for the mainframe is 4th quarter 2022 we are now
thinking of not implementing z/OS 2.3 since it could possibly cause more
problems for us than just staying with z/OS 2.2.
So my question - how does everyone feel about running on an unsupported z/OS
system?
Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems
Mutual of Enumclaw
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to
[email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Confidentiality Notice: This e- mail and all attachments may contain
CONFIDENTIAL information and are meant solely for the intended recipient. It
may contain controlled, privileged, or proprietary information that is
protected under applicable law and shall not be disclosed to any unauthorized
third party. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
that any unauthorized review, action, disclosure, distribution, or reproduction
of any information contained in this e- mail and any attachments is strictly
PROHIBITED. If you received this e- mail in error, please reply to the sender
immediately stating that this transmission was misdirected, and delete or
destroy all electronic and paper copies of this e-mail and attachments without
disclosing the contents. This e- mail does not grant or assign rights of
ownership in the proprietary subject matter herein, nor shall it be construed
as a joint venture, partnership, teaming agreement, or any other formal
business relationship.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
