On your first thought -- IANAL, so I can't comment on which way is better or safer. But companies have expensive lawyers for good reasons. So long as they do their job and keep the company whole in the edge cases, I am content.
On your second thought -- Of course I am, or I wouldn't have said so. That happens to be a not-always-small part of my regular day job, thank you very much, so yes I am "equipped and willing". And there are a few more of us still around. Now whether the COMPANY thinks it is "equipped and willing" in the worst-case scanrio is a different kettle of fish entirely, and way above my pay grade. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: report writer alternatives Two thoughts: - Shmuel is certainly right that you need to worry that if there is a bankruptcy -- not a sure thing; he might just drift away without formal bankruptcy -- you have an uphill battle NOT having the source code treated as an asset. The whole point of bankruptcy is tearing up all of those old agreements that got the creditor into trouble and starting fresh with the assets he has -- including the source code. If I were owed money by the bankrupt company I would argue "heck no, ignore that burdensome old agreement, sell the source to the highest bidder so the debtor can pay me what he owes me." - Are you really, really, really sure that you are equipped and willing to "support it yourself" old idiosyncratic assembler source code, in a timely fashion? Charles -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: report writer alternatives Have your lawyers verify that the escrowed source code can't be treated as an asset during bankruptcy. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!a1Sqv8QLEciEH10NpNaK4qrA-9CxC-OMwc4FW_Tf75tgfFLFb2G72_MhQADO44sC56UI1w$ ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 [0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: report writer alternatives With the right source code escrow language written into the contract, "one-person operation" should not be a show-stopper unless the one person is not appropriately responsive to product defect repair or requests for reasonable product enhancements. If very prompt defect repair is an important issue, write effective SLA's with increasing financial penalties for delayed defect repair into the contract as well. We have had quite good luck with a few very helpful software products and very responsive authors. Worst case, your company has the rights to the source code and can continue to support it yourself until transitioning to another product with active support. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Sasso, Len Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: report writer alternatives We migrated from Easytrieve to Z-Writer and found that Pacific Systems Group is a one person operation. Thank You and Please Be Safe! Len Sasso Systems Administrator Senior CSRA, A General Dynamics Information Technology Company 327 Columbia TPKE Rensselaer, NY 12144 TEAM: Together Everyone Achieves More Office Hours: M-F 7 AM - 3:45 PM Vacation: Phone: (518) 257-4209 Cell: (518) 894-0879 Fax: (518) 257-4300 len.sa...@gdit.com URL: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.gdit.com__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K 5b7VKg!bYUihWs1OKKIn7Dbxr3lju5Q6LdGkrokLRK53cGOmJwM7ZCjihz4aFSBCPynqT4P1UPRb Q$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.gdit.com__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_ K5b7VKg!bYUihWs1OKKIn7Dbxr3lju5Q6LdGkrokLRK53cGOmJwM7ZCjihz4aFSBCPynqT4P1UPR bQ$ > ________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Chris Hoelscher <choelsc...@humana.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Subject: Re: report writer alternatives [External: Use caution with links & attachments] Thank you very much for this information Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] report writer alternatives [External Email: Use caution with links and attachments] Hi Chris, I know nothing about this company/software and their claim, we're in the same boat and I found them while researching. I haven't tried their software yet. Here's their claim: Z-Writer is the quick-code utility for z/OS mainframes. Its native syntax is very similar to competing quick-code tools such as DYL-280, Easytrieve, Quikjob and CA-Earl. If you are using one of those programs, you'll be able to run your existing programs on Z-Writer with only minor changes. And with our ZWDYL interface, you can actually run all your existing DYL-280 (VISION:Results) program without any changes to either the program code or the JCL. Our ZWQUIK interface (beta) lets you do the same thing for your Quikjob (VISION:Report) programs. The company is called Pacific Systems Group and their website is https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/*urldefense.co m/v3/__https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://*www.pacsys.com__;!!IfVdvpvC!CRxRrdvGWX-0nF0bVEqPXCKpp-epQtvKj6__;Kg!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!a1Sqv8QLEciEH10NpNaK4qrA-9CxC-OMwc4FW_Tf75tgfFLFb2G72_MhQADO44s9oeYB8g$ gCX4cYLqYFJPS6BQu-VN7SsHFfHy0Q$__;Lw!!JRQnnSFuzw7wjAKq6ti6!lIkp7xHfxb1h6PPHa MRI9y3NkCXL44B7OHGt-ZGA2sPa1ZQbvTCFOYFQ0W7WRQ$__;Lyo!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g _K5b7VKg!bYUihWs1OKKIn7Dbxr3lju5Q6LdGkrokLRK53cGOmJwM7ZCjihz4aFSBCPynqT440jq Ynw$ . Let me know if you check it out and how they work for you. I will say I checked pricing and at least at this point in time for us, their price isn't much less than the CA products we're looking to replace. Rex -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] report writer alternatives The site I support may soon be in the need for a load&go report writer We would need an alternative to Culprit Eztrieve Quickjob Earl Without any research - any other report writers come to mind? Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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