Well, if they come from a world where there is no messages manual, it may not occur to them to RTFM; that should be part of their initial training, but we all know how generous education budgets are these days.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") I wonder, though, whether newbies can easily tell the difference between eg "DFS" and "DFH". Particularly poignant, that pair. :-) So we all know "ICH" and, latterly "IRR", (FSVO "latterly" :-) ) are RACF. But do newbies pick this up quickly? Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://secure-web.cisco.com/18ahigRwLqngX6Mic0Nh_MNiy4lVK_laNQFjota3lKOAOrKYUeLiNuY0X2KbwUMr3FwtR6AEcgmtJRaeeS5MXShAfkaRb6jIDR6yFDHVX6tu-CpVjW7RywWoSGQiwCIR1sWVAozyfeLzqCeRUWQ9n81U-Ki9LqsG1VZ3Zbwh4v5vKFJ8o1yIELsSS2ZrV1b9H5CmCxAX8eibNqrWm2JYg-Akd5mIzgHTOaon4wXVz1H1blluzSIpyf2fdQZmIIo-1HURZLFKantP_gsI8MOGgcjAJcS2FmFLOSYGHohpfhrdYTH1_O04B0um7VPeiZ3YZ1sK_nZ3VAWD7R1r8MHs6-d61nEPdNsbVR4i6Uw598pYqtprTiNmhk2PI6OFroSyMdX8mTY64SVO89pWGikLY0FCtGt2yq2dn2VBYm1wKLB9eJdWRy9yKVAV390LhUSv1/https%3A%2F%2Fmainframeperformancetopics.com Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/ or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: "R.S." <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 12/06/2020 09:51 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes") Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Well, I wrote an article on my internal company blog, recently. It was exactly about messages and codes. People couldn't believe in some statements: 1. Every message has its own ID. Fortunately readers agreed that msg ID is far better than "Oops! Something went wrong, try again later". 2. Every message is documented, and there is "Messages and Codes" bookshelf. And there are books and even bookshelves. And it was available from Internet for 20+ years. 3. Every message ID has prefix which clearly describes that it comes from CICS, DB2, RACF... (DFH, DSN, ICH...) 4. Message description in the book is more than "Something is wrong. Try again later". 5. Return code has meaning. It is more than "zero vs non-zero" RC. I wish I could put here some pictures with funny/annoying Windows messages here. ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 10.06.2020 o 22:02, Steve Smith pisze: > I take this example as merely an example. IBM & the software industry are > notoriously bad at getting these right. > > At one end, you have "Oops, something went wrong." -- Windows 10 (and > yeah, the day I started using Windows 10). > > At the other, IDC3009I. Sheesh. > > Counter to those, the IMS message doesn't seem quite so bad... it's > (presumably) accurate, and fairly precise. You could argue it could be > worded more simply, or that it should provide the detailed codes. > > In my experience, messages get very little attention or quality review. > I'm sure it varies a lot. > > sas > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:50 PM Paul Gilmartin < > 0000000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:02:40 +0000, Frank Swarbrick wrote: >> >>> Here's a quote from a message I posted to this list in 2009: >>> >>> "I have a very basic one to complain about: >>> >>> DFS0929I BLDL FAILED FOR MEMBER --DDMPPSZ >>> >>> This really means that the specified PSB DDMPPSZ is not in the specified >> IMS library. Why can't it just say that? As an application programmer do >> I really need to know that BLDL means, well, whatever it means? >> The practice was established over a half century ago when every programmer >> could be presumed to have at least a superficial knowledge of the entire >> OS/360 >> reference library. And storage was too precious to support elaborate >> messages. >> >> That time has passed. >> >> The practice persists. >> >> -- gil >> ====================================================================== Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. 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