Also in these situations for needing more computing power and all the assorted goodies it helps to have management who are pro mainframe
Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Ron Wells <[email protected]> wrote: > Gartner ?? they are and have been against M/F since the mid 80's...Even > back then saying it was dead > > > > From: Itschak Mugzach <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: 01/31/2013 02:25 PM > Subject: Re: FW: mainframe "selling" points -- Start up Costs > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> > > > > I would like to return to the "selling point" issue. I stated that there > are many technologies that run better outside the mainframe like Cobol and > sort. Don't take my word, ask Gartner's Dale Vecchio. have a look at this > video on http://www.platformmodernization.org/Pages/about.asp > > Itschak > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Steve Thompson > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> From: Edward Jaffe <[email protected]> >> Date: 01/31/2013 11:17 AM >> >> >> >> On 1/31/2013 8:40 AM, Don Williams wrote: >>> Does this mean a M/F developer needs to have deep pockets to be >> successful? >> >> Depends on your definition of "deep". Last I checked it was $500/month > for >> >> fully-supported remote development out of Dallas. >> >> --------- >> Let's play devil's advocate. >> >> You have decided that you want to develop a product for z/OS. If you do >> not develop it in Java, or c/C++, then how do you do your development in >> your own sandbox? This, so that you only need, perhaps six months of >> fixing the rough spots on an actual z/OS system. >> >> You can't get CICS in a Herc environment running MVS 3.8J (O now?). >> >> Let's say that you have FJ COBOL. So you set the options to be for >> COBOL-II. Now you do all your development that you can. But wait, you > need >> ISPF at a minimum to drive terminals. Can't do that on a Herc system. > Come >> to think of it, FJ COBOL will not generate for the Herc environment. So >> that option is gone too. >> >> One programmer, who has roughed out a system, using VSAM or DB2, has, > for >> the sake of argument, 2-3 man years of coding to do with debugging. So > we >> will say 3 to include documenting and testing. >> >> US$500 * 12 * 3 = US$19,500 Just for the system out of Dallas. >> >> What will be the cost of documenting your software, and who will do it > at >> what cost? (manual printing or CD/DVD commercial quality stuff). >> >> How much do you have to have in pocket to handle 3 years of start up >> expenses? Would that be somewhere around $200K? >> >> Now, you need a paying client. What are your costs to get that first >> client and get them to production and you into maint mode and not >> development? How many clients do you need before you are covering your >> ongoing US$500/mo. and all of your start up costs, so that you have a >> positive cash flow? >> >> Using your own home systems, how long does it take you to develop >> something in c/C++ .net, Java, etc. and be able to sell it? >> >> For a one "man" startup, $200K is a lot of money. BTDT. And the business > I >> had was NOT in IT. >> >> Regards, >> Steve Thompson >> >> Opinions expressed by this poster do not necessarily reflect those of >> poster's employer. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Email Disclaimer > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, > which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended > only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are > not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance > on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
