Gartner are well known being anti Mainframe, so I wouldn't be so quick to quote them, they are bias
Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Itschak Mugzach <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to return to the "selling point" issue. I stated that there > are many technologies that run better outside the mainframe like Cobol and > sort. Don't take my word, ask Gartner's Dale Vecchio. have a look at this > video on http://www.platformmodernization.org/Pages/about.asp > > Itschak > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Steve Thompson <[email protected]>wrote: > >> From: Edward Jaffe <[email protected]> >> Date: 01/31/2013 11:17 AM >> >> >> >> On 1/31/2013 8:40 AM, Don Williams wrote: >>> Does this mean a M/F developer needs to have deep pockets to be >> successful? >> >> Depends on your definition of "deep". Last I checked it was $500/month for >> >> fully-supported remote development out of Dallas. >> >> --------- >> Let's play devil's advocate. >> >> You have decided that you want to develop a product for z/OS. If you do >> not develop it in Java, or c/C++, then how do you do your development in >> your own sandbox? This, so that you only need, perhaps six months of >> fixing the rough spots on an actual z/OS system. >> >> You can't get CICS in a Herc environment running MVS 3.8J (O now?). >> >> Let's say that you have FJ COBOL. So you set the options to be for >> COBOL-II. Now you do all your development that you can. But wait, you need >> ISPF at a minimum to drive terminals. Can't do that on a Herc system. Come >> to think of it, FJ COBOL will not generate for the Herc environment. So >> that option is gone too. >> >> One programmer, who has roughed out a system, using VSAM or DB2, has, for >> the sake of argument, 2-3 man years of coding to do with debugging. So we >> will say 3 to include documenting and testing. >> >> US$500 * 12 * 3 = US$19,500 Just for the system out of Dallas. >> >> What will be the cost of documenting your software, and who will do it at >> what cost? (manual printing or CD/DVD commercial quality stuff). >> >> How much do you have to have in pocket to handle 3 years of start up >> expenses? Would that be somewhere around $200K? >> >> Now, you need a paying client. What are your costs to get that first >> client and get them to production and you into maint mode and not >> development? How many clients do you need before you are covering your >> ongoing US$500/mo. and all of your start up costs, so that you have a >> positive cash flow? >> >> Using your own home systems, how long does it take you to develop >> something in c/C++ .net, Java, etc. and be able to sell it? >> >> For a one "man" startup, $200K is a lot of money. BTDT. And the business I >> had was NOT in IT. >> >> Regards, >> Steve Thompson >> >> Opinions expressed by this poster do not necessarily reflect those of >> poster's employer. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
