Because if it weren't for some of these people putting their time, money, blood, sweat, and fucking tears into their servers and building their communities and thus adding to the overall experience of TF2, you probably wouldn't be playing/enjoying TF2 as it is now and Valve's game wouldn't have made it past 2010 long enough for Valve to try out their F2P model that summarily excludes most of the people that MADE them what they are. Or did you happen to not know that Valve NEVER hosted their own game servers up until QP (2011, 4 years AFTER its release) for TF2.
The common player wouldn't be buying stuff from the Mann Co. store, they wouldn't be trading, they wouldn't even be using the Steam Market place (look where Valve's in-game trading/transaction system came from). None of that would have been possible without these people who are "bitching" about being treated unfairly for being loyal to Valve and the TF2 team for years. Valve only made the game, these guys built the servers AND expanded its unique experience into what made it so popular. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 5:18 PM, James Haikin <[email protected]> wrote: > So if the common player doesn't care, why should Valve? Serious question. > > -James > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]>wrote: > >> SPUF is a tiny portion of the TF2 population. Most people that play a >> game don't go on the forums to chat about it. >> >> The common player won't even give 2 shits if TF2 itself is dying because >> of this change. >> >> They are not die hard fans and they will just go back to COD or Titanfall >> if the servers they want to play on are emptying out because of Valve. They >> are not going to petition Valve, complain on SPUF, or even be aware that >> Valve is causing this. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:58 PM, James Haikin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> "Most of the users on SPUF". >>> >>> You mean "the majority of the game's playerbase"? So 90% of the game's >>> players don't care about the problem? Why, then, is it a problem? >>> >>> -James >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bubka3 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think discussing topics which directly affect server operators >>>> on SPUF is a good idea. Most of the users on SPUF are not technically >>>> inclined and could probably care less about this problem. >>>> >>>> James Haikin <[email protected]> >>>> Friday, April 25, 2014 7:52 PM >>>> You want to discuss something? Take it to SPUF. >>>> >>>> -James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >>>> Friday, April 25, 2014 7:46 PM >>>> I don't see how there could be a better place to discuss this. This >>>> quickplay problem affects srcds servers and this is a mailing list for >>>> servers that is visited by the people responsible for this change. >>>> >>>> If Valve does not realize this is a problem, that is even more of a >>>> reason to keep talking about it. >>>> >>>> I don't think Valve doesn't care, they just don't know it is a problem. >>>> Otherwise they wouldn't have wasted their time making quickpick. >>>> >>>> They need to realize it is causing a net loss of players and quickplay >>>> options and quickpick didn't solve the issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> James Haikin <[email protected]> >>>> Friday, April 25, 2014 7:33 PM >>>> I'm just sick of people bitching about something that Valve has shown >>>> no indication of changing, in a place where it's rather patently >>>> inappropriate for the discussion to be taking place. >>>> >>>> -James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >>>> Friday, April 25, 2014 7:31 PM >>>> "Empirical" evidence was already offered which you thought were "my" >>>> players, as if I had tens of thousands of players. Those numbers are pulled >>>> straight from Steam. >>>> >>>> What's the point of trolling this discussion? Don't you have anything >>>> better to do? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> James Haikin <[email protected]> >>>> Friday, April 25, 2014 7:14 PM >>>> Why hello there, anecdotal evidence. If you could go ahead and get us >>>> an actual cross-section of the playerbase, that'd be greeeeeat. >>>> >>>> -James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bubka3 <http://www.getpostbox.com> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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