I'm fine with it.
Am 06.12.2018 um 08:52 schrieb Yoann Rodiere: > The WildFly team is moving from Slack to Zulip, because Zulip seems to be > the only solution that is free, provides unlimited history, and allows > unlimited users even in private rooms (for OSS projects, at least). Gitter > has all that, except unlimited users, as we are limited to 25 people per > private room. > > You can join them here: https://wildfly.zulipchat.com/ > > Back to our solution... We are now 71 days away from the decommissioning of > HipChat. *Is everyone happy with Gitter?* Do you see a strong reason to > keep looking for another solution? > > For my part, I noticed problems with the web client, in particular with > notifications, which are sub-standard, but with the desktop client > everything seems to work fine. It's simple, but it does the job. > > Yoann Rodière > Hibernate NoORM Team > yo...@hibernate.org > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 14:40, Yoann Rodiere <yo...@hibernate.org> wrote: > >> On top of not being able to add more than 25 people to a private room, >> there's another limitation of Gitter that Fabio just noticed: the chat >> history for 1-to-1 conversations is very limited. In our case, we can only >> see 2 days back, and there's no concept of archives like there is in rooms. >> >> Meanwhile, the WildFly team is giving up on Slack because of the very >> limited size of history in free plans. They are investigating Zulip, >> RocketChat and MatterMost in particular. Maybe let's see what they end up >> choosing and why? >> >> Yoann Rodière >> Hibernate NoORM Team >> yo...@hibernate.org >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:33, Yoann Rodiere <yo...@hibernate.org> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 08:49, Yoann Rodiere <yo...@hibernate.org> wrote: >>> >>>>> Assuming the new chat platform takes off, there's a risk it might be >>>> too successful as well >>>> >>>> Ok. Well, I guess we'll see. As I mentioned above, I don't think forcing >>>> people to have a GitHub account will be very effective, but I can't suggest >>>> a perfect solution either. Bots answering with a few links (documentation, >>>> etc.) to the first message of each user come to mind, but that could be >>>> considered rude, so I wouldn't do that unless the traffic becomes >>>> unmanageable. Other solutions include kicking out "spammers" (but that >>>> doesn't work if it's many users asking a single question), or making the >>>> -dev rooms invite-only and only checking the user rooms once in a while >>>> (might work if Gitter sends emails when your are mentioned while offline). >>>> So, yeah, in short: I don't really know. >>>> >>>>> More just accountability. But if some form of login in needed to use >>>> Gitter, that's enough for me. Sounded like the other option was "allow >>>> anonymous", which I wanted to avoid. >>>> >>>> Then it should be fine: anonymous access apparently only allows to read >>>> messages. Login through GitLab, GitHub or Twitter is necessary in order to >>>> start posting new messages. >>>> >>>> Yoann Rodière >>>> Hibernate NoORM Team >>>> yo...@hibernate.org >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 19:34, Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For me its not so much about "the right kind of people". More just >>>>> accountability. But if some form of login in needed to use Gitter, that's >>>>> enough for me. Sounded like the other option was "allow anonymous", which >>>>> I wanted to avoid. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:41 AM Sanne Grinovero <sa...@hibernate.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 17:27, Yoann Rodiere <yo...@hibernate.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I don't see why we should force people to have a GitHub account, >>>>>> considering there are other means of logging into Gitter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok. >>>>>> >>>>>>> As to getting the right type of people, I'm not sure it's relevant. >>>>>> Most people are likely to have one, and those who don't are likely to not >>>>>> have one for political reasons (think free software extremists) rather >>>>>> than >>>>>> because they aren't tech savvy enough: while the "hibernate" naming might >>>>>> confuse users looking for information about grizzly bears, I doubt my >>>>>> grandmother, my 7-year-old nephew or even my non-software-engineer of a >>>>>> wife would end up on Gitter by mistake. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well since that's obvious, clearly I was referring to a different way >>>>>> of cathegorizing people joining@ not by age or expertise in technology >>>>>> but in having reasonable expectations and willing to do some research >>>>>> before bothering us all. >>>>>> >>>>>> You probably weren't around yet, but Hibernate has had hard times in >>>>>> which it was "victim of its own success": just too many >>>>>> kinda-interested people making a ton of basic questions that could be >>>>>> easily solved otherwise. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some "barriers" we have in place have made it manageable; of course I >>>>>> can't tell if it's all merit of the barriers of entry or just people >>>>>> coming in lower volumes with better intentions, but I'm confident that >>>>>> some of the barriers we have have helped to keep some sanity (e.g. >>>>>> login on #hibernate-dev on IRC requiring an account). >>>>>> >>>>>> Assuming the new chat platform takes off, there's a risk it might be >>>>>> too successful as well. But I guess we'll see, or let's use a very >>>>>> bad chat platform so to keep people from coming :P >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yoann Rodière >>>>>>> Hibernate NoORM Team >>>>>>> yo...@hibernate.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 18:02, Sanne Grinovero <sa...@hibernate.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 16:02, Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> What is it a conscious decision to not require a GitHub account >>>>>> to join these rooms? I just noticed that is a toggle-option in the >>>>>> room's >>>>>> settings also. >>>>>>>> I don't remember. We created these rooms as an experiment in 2014.. >>>>>>>> Yoann created some more rooms recently. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should we enforce people to have a Github account? I'd like that, I >>>>>>>> think it would better nudge towards getting the right type of people >>>>>>>> to join. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Sanne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:17 AM Guillaume Smet < >>>>>> guillaume.s...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:35 AM Sanne Grinovero < >>>>>> sa...@hibernate.org> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If one wants a lot of features then clearly only Slack is the >>>>>> way to >>>>>>>>>>> go. Not saying we should go with Slack, just that we'll need >>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>> patient and we'll always be short of some features - if that's >>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> acceptable then only Slack will make you happy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TBH, I don't care about fancy features. Gitter is OK for me but >>>>>> yeah not >>>>>>>>>> having sound is really annoying. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I might miss notifications from time to time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In any case, it will mostly be a problem for you all if you ping >>>>>> me :). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW the issue you linked to suggests the native clients don't >>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> this specific problem.. might want to try that? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I prefer to have it in the browser where I do most of my >>>>>> interactions with >>>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And AFAIK, Yoann wrote they were only packaged as deb (and not >>>>>> very excited >>>>>>>>>> about compiling it). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BTW, tbh, I'm a bit worried GitLab has only one dev on it if >>>>>> they want to >>>>>>>>>> become a player in this area. They certainly have some work to >>>>>> do to catch >>>>>>>>>> up with others. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Guillaume >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
