It turns out to be surprisingly hard to write a cookbook that people
find easy to understand, but we keep trying. Soon we'll be making a
major overhaul of our website to try to make sense of all the
information we have.

Sometimes too much information is worse than not enough. We'll keep
slogging away at this.

On 03/10/2011 12:32 PM, David Lee wrote:
> Sorry, Mark.  Yes, there was an element of letting off steam, partly
> because I'm still struggling, despite significant cf-2 experience, to
> get my poor little head around cf-3.  (I could really, really do with a
> "cookbook";  and with step-by-step definitions and examples.  The
> definitions and descriptions of cf-3 concepts such as bundles and bodies
> and components etc. seem to be incomplete or fuzzy.  (And half the
> battle is that I don't even know how frame the questions that I should
> be asking, so I don't know even what to ask.)
> 
> The arrival of the "services" concept in cf-3 sounds absolutely right
> and good, and makes better sense, as a higher-level abstraction, in many
> cases than dabbling the a service's underlying processes.   But then the
> documentation leads me to believe that "services" is not available for
> me in the current community edition.
> 
> (I'm familiar with some OSS products having commercial siblings, for
> instance CentOS/Redhat sendmail.org/sendmail.com.  And I'm happy with
> that, usually because the commercial one is adding support; and where it
> is adding actual functionality, that tends to be relatively at the edges
> rather than in the core.  In "cfengine" it struck me that this
> potentially excellent "services" concept felt core (hence, OSS).
> especially as it is simply another subpoint in simply another subsection
> of the documentation: Ref Manual 7.15.)
> 
> Anyway, I'll see what I can do with processes.  And if there is an RPM
> of the new "process_stop" under "-n" fix, I'll test that.  And I'll try
> to come up with some well-framed questions, and positive suggestions for
> documentation.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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