Sorry, Mark.  Yes, there was an element of letting off steam, partly 
because I'm still struggling, despite significant cf-2 experience, to 
get my poor little head around cf-3.  (I could really, really do with a 
"cookbook";  and with step-by-step definitions and examples.  The 
definitions and descriptions of cf-3 concepts such as bundles and bodies 
and components etc. seem to be incomplete or fuzzy.  (And half the 
battle is that I don't even know how frame the questions that I should 
be asking, so I don't know even what to ask.)

The arrival of the "services" concept in cf-3 sounds absolutely right 
and good, and makes better sense, as a higher-level abstraction, in many 
cases than dabbling the a service's underlying processes.   But then the 
documentation leads me to believe that "services" is not available for 
me in the current community edition.

(I'm familiar with some OSS products having commercial siblings, for 
instance CentOS/Redhat sendmail.org/sendmail.com.  And I'm happy with 
that, usually because the commercial one is adding support; and where it 
is adding actual functionality, that tends to be relatively at the edges 
rather than in the core.  In "cfengine" it struck me that this 
potentially excellent "services" concept felt core (hence, OSS). 
especially as it is simply another subpoint in simply another subsection 
of the documentation: Ref Manual 7.15.)

Anyway, I'll see what I can do with processes.  And if there is an RPM 
of the new "process_stop" under "-n" fix, I'll test that.  And I'll try 
to come up with some well-framed questions, and positive suggestions for 
documentation.

Thanks.

-- 
David Lee


Mark Burgess wrote:
> David,
> 
> if by open source you mean "free beer" then, your worst fears are
> confirmed. There is a paid version of cfengine, and it is better than
> the free one! (The audacity!) However, it is still apparently free to
> let off steam, which seems to be your main aim here.
> 
> In fact services were introduced for the Windows version, and have not
> yet been implemented on Unix at all (since one has a perfectly good
> processes abstraction). The error message as such is misleading, since
> it is the Windows version of Cfengine which is Nova only. I expect you
> find that more acceptable.
> 
> Mark
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