Some rules I've learned:
Mailing list can't be used as reliable source :-(
Non-english sources too

WP has so many rules, some of them are ambiguous and contradictory. It's
party to an "wikipedia's attorney" shows and make trouble where everything
walks ok.

You missed my discussion about newsgroup citation. He deleted the citation.
He shows me the rule. Ok. But I challenge him to deleted same source about
Linux History where Linus call for help on kernel development. He runs away.

The Harbour article have so many problems he not stated... The biggest
problem is he pick bureaucratic problems, not content problems.

If all WP rules going to be apllied the majority articles will be vanished
from WP.

Most of "Citation needed" was putted for me. The problem is get "reliable
sources" with so many rules. I am trying to make the article conform to WP
standards, have sure about that.

Yworo wants delete Harbour article in favor of xBase article. If Harbour
article is superfluous, thousands and thousands articles
are superfluous too, but this is not a argument, there is a rule denying
this type of argument. Nobody fix the same problem in "famous" articles
because there are too many "forces" to fight against.

In summary, who knows the WP process, knows WP is a place to people
expresses power. The majority WP rules are contrary to original intent of WP
when Jimbo creates it.

BTW, this post has the best value for me because I knew about the MT debate
:-) I think we need create an index to valuable posts like msg10164.

[]'s Maniero

2010/4/10 Viktor Szakáts <harbour...@syenar.hu>

> Well, we will have to play ball, WP has many rules and
> it serves the whole thing pretty well, so either we
> should talk with the guy and/or streamline the article to
> adhere with the requirements.
>
> Reliable 3rd party references were missing, so I've added
> some hard statistics (now also an ohloh page).
>
> We may also use citations from forums (clipper.borda.ru,
> hmgforum.com, pctoledo.com.br, comp.lang.clipper), and
> our own mailing list. F.e. there was great debate between
> Przemek and Xbase++ owner Steffen F. Pirsig:
>   http://www.mail-archive.com/harbour@harbour-project.org/msg10164.html
>   (and follow-up replies/corrections to this article)
>
> Brgds,
> Viktor
>
>
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