Hi Gabber,
On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 04:03:28PM +0200, Gabriel Wicki wrote:
> I disapprove
>
> I have taken my time to reflect and meditate over the proposal but I am
> unable to find my peace with it.
>
I appreciate that it's hard to take a position and that you've done so in a
thoughtful and considered way.
I really just want to support you in putting forward your position.
(...)
> 5. Technically: The (please excuse the potentially wrong label)
> "Luddite" angle ("these tools hurt real craftspersonship") seems to be
> historically wrong, in a way that is ignorant in how progress works in
> the tech world.
(...)
As Janneke set out something to consider is what parts (if any) can you live
with?
I have a number of concerns about the GCD, particularly about some of the scope
and perspective, but for the most part decided that I don't have to agree with
everything. I decided that for some parts I just needed to consider the outcome,
and can accept that there are arguments that I don't directly agree with.
The nature of consensus is that we're created an approach which is the average
across a group, so for each of us individually it won't be perfect.
> That being said, the amount of social pressure to disapprove of such a
> long and hard discussion is almost unbearable. I can imagine others
> preferring not to expose themselves against what could be perceived as
> an overwhelming consensus of a vast majority of GNU Guix. I don't know
> if I am the only one opposing, but the amount of exposure with the
> potential attack-surface ("we had such a great consent except for this
> one turd in the punchbowl") is highly problematic for consent-finding
> processes.
Yes, agreed and understood.
One thing I've realised since we agreed the GCD process is that a lot of ours
seem to be on deeply emotional and divisive subjects. I'm not sure why that is.
I was expecting GCD's on package naming, instead we've landed up with ones that
cover some of the greatest philosophical, emotional, social and political
discussions of our times!
In part I think it's a release of pressure since we now have a process, where
the previously were just inconclusive discussions on the mailing list. But it is
interesting, and I'm a bit worried about how beneficial it's turning out to be.
I don't think highly emotional and political topics are ever that useful online,
it's better to focus on what joins us that on what divides us.
Steve / Futurile
