I will be blunt.
The project exactly mirrors the rhetoric of a certain hateful tech video
producer.
A quick scroll through the xlibre about page and this video producers
youtube page can confirm this.
One who is actively calling trans people an invasive paedophilic force
in open source: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=zFXlvrjzYE0
I believe there is thusly no room for grace on this. Please also notice
the usage of the word "degenerate" and its history.
The case I make is made to such individuals as modeled by Ekaitz Zarraga.
The feigned seperation and support of lgbt+ people by the people/ person
behind xlibre is a diversion tactic to play the propagandists numbers
game and hope that outpaces the people who attempt to counter some
minutia of the spew they spill.
Regardless of intent, the effect is the same.
I think gnome has the right approach to this topic which mirrors this:
https://diegoe.be/2025/07/01/the-new-troll-diet/
I think coming to the list and making the continued point that it is not
harmful has the effect of overton window shift.
If they want this to not be the focus of open source such as the
statements made by gnome, they should stop forcing the hand.
I dont want to comment more, but continued statements about the non harm
of this social phenomenon in a public place do prompt counter.
Sincerely
Fi
On 01. 08. 25 18:34, spacecadet wrote:
On 7/31/25 11:09 PM, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote:
But here we are talking about maintainers specifically discriminating
people in very violent ways, during their role as a maintainer, so we
probably all agree that this is way too dangerous, and that this is
bad, and that it needs to be avoided.
Are you still talking about xlibre? I haven't seen any violence from
the maintainers.
The most violence I felt was towards the lead dev for force-pushing
master every day, but thankfully he's stopped doing that.
Most of what you wrote boils down to "what if" the maintainers make
some bad decision or yell at a packager. It's still a new project, so
there's a lot of uncertainty (which is why I haven't tried to upstream
the package yet), but you're making a lot of assumptions.
And personally what matters to me is not necessary the outcome of
Xlibre or even the specifics on how to deal with software that has
extremely toxic maintainership but rather that we have each other's back
and not engage in direct or indirect discrimination or attacks of each
other when we are in the same boat.
I'm on board with this, we're all for free software and need to have
the backs of other free software projects.
