Em 2 de julho de 2025 08:17:46 BRT, Ekaitz Zarraga <eka...@elenq.tech> escreveu: >Hi, > >On 2025-07-02 10:30, indieterminacy wrote: >> Hi Spacecadet, >> >> Im sorry to be a curmudgeon following not only your efforts but also your >> active communications, but I feel that I should flag to others here that >> there are points of concern regarding the behaviour of XLibre. >> >> Not wanting to get too bogged down in the mire, it appears positions on the >> (USA) DEI have been considered antagonizing enough for Redhat to be reactive >> against (and its likely that other OSes have been cautious). >> There may be other things, Im not a police officer. >> >> Here is a random example of somebody articulating their personal feelings: >> ``` >> I mean, I have already put my foot down re such projects at Adélie, and have >> had to explain why it's a problem. (non-contributors have asked for >> technical reasons, but tbh "these people want me dead in a ditch" is plenty >> technical: I can't make this distro for you if I'm, you know, dead in a >> ditch.) >> >> I'd like to live in a world where I didn't have to worry about the politics >> of the projects we package, but that world does not and will never exist. >> ``` >> >> https://social.treehouse.systems/@VulpineAmethyst/114768982059460162 >> >> >> As somebody who enjoys irreverence and recognises it as a tool I feel that >> the harm principle is important. >> For venomous critique one should punch up rather than punch down and take an >> approach to not judging historical positions or activity only armed with >> contemporary framing. >> >> I can happily make jokes about renaming the 'Master' branch to 'The Gulf of >> Mexico' because Trump (as any leader) needs to be reminded that they arent >> so special: >> https://theonion.com/stuck-in-the-timiddle-with-you/ >> >> Simultaneously, I can live with the recent failure to modernise the naming >> structure of Guix's branches, as Im grown up enough to recognise that it >> wasnt originally named to isolate and discriminate >> >> This is not evidently the case with the Xlibre initiative. >> The intent may go beyond the noble activities of having a renaissance re X11 >> (EXWM user here). >> >> The community could also be oddball provocateurs missing a forloop or a tail >> - it would be naive to ignore the simmering incase the pan boils over. >> >> Irreverent regards, >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> On 2025-07-02 05:32, spacecadet wrote: >> >>> hi guix >>> >>> I've been working on packaging the xlibre-server >>> >>> https://gitlab.vulnix.sh/spacecadet/guix-xlibre >>> >>> there's no new service type, just helper macros and functions like >>> (xlibre-configuration ...) or (xorg-configuration->xlibre-configuration >>> ...) that rewrite the xorg service. >>> minimal recompilation is needed, only drivers need to be recompiled as far >>> as I've seen. >>> >>> it's still a wip, but given more development I'm not sure if this could be >>> merged with the replacement functions, I don't know of any similar cases. >>> I tried making an xlibre-configuration record, but a lot of other records >>> are tied inextricably to the xorg-configuration record. >>> replacing xorg with xlibre would be a solution, but with how flexible guix >>> is, I don't think there's a need to replace xorg outright, especially since >>> xlibre is still kinda in testing. dunno. >>> >>> for the meantime it works, you can pull the channel or run it in a vm with >>> the included script > >We also package suckless software and there is plenty of information on the >internet saying they are Nazis. > >I'm not saying we should remove their packages from Guix. On the contrary, the >point I'm trying to make is we usually don't pay attention to who made the >code but if the code is free software or not. > >If Xlibre is libre and doesn't include malware, why shouldn't we package it? >Adding it doesn't mean we support their opinion in any regard. > >If we reviewed that, we would need to remove thousands of packages that are >made by big evil corporations or the suckless software I mentioned. > >In any case, Jonathan, I appreciate that you raised the concern. > >So yeah, spacecadet, if you really want to continue to package it, we would >add it to Guix, I don't think there's any policy in Guix against it (unless >their documentation or so is also part of the package and includes political >messages that promote any kind of discrimination). But I wouldn't be surprised >if people (including myself) prefer to work on other things first. > >If you really want it, don't be discouraged. > >Cheers, >Ekaitz >
Agreed. -- Gabriel Santos
